HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1987-02-24 9882
MINUTES OF THE 532nd REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
On Tuesday, February 24, 1987, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 532nd Regular Meeting and Public Hearings in the Livonia City Hall, 33000
Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. C. Russ Smith, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. , with approx-
imately 230 interested persons in the audience.
Members present: C. Russ Smith Herman Kluver Donald Vyhnalek
Sue Sobolewski Michael Soranno Richard Straub
Donna Naidow R. Lee Morrow Jeanne Hildebrandt
Members absent: None
Messrs. John J. Nagy, Planning Director, H. G. Shane, Assistant Planning Director,
Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner IV, and Gary Clark, Assistant City Engineer, were also
present.
Mr. Smith informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves a
rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the City Council
who, in turn, will hold its own public hearing and decide the question. If a petition
involves a waiver of use request and the request is denied, the petitioner has ten
1: days in which to appeal the decision to the City Council; otherwise the petition is
terminated. The Commission holds the only public hearing on a preliminary plat and/or
a vacating petition. Planning Commission resolutions do not become effective until
seven days after tonight.
Mr. Smith stated that the Commission would take up several pending matters before
beginning the public hearing on the new petitions, and that public hearings have
already been held on the matters pending before the Commission.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda is the Final Plat
approval for Gill Woods Subdivision proposed to be located on the west
side of Gill Road, north of Seven Mile Road in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 4.
Mr. Nagy: All of the financial obligations imposed upon this proprietor by the
City have been complied with and the Engineering Division has recom-
mended approval of the Final Plat. The Final Plat has been drawn in
compliance with the approval Preliminary Plat.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mrs. Hildebrandt and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-40-87 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve the final Plat
for Gill Woods Subdivision proposed to be located on the west side of
Gill Road, north of Seven Mile Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 4
lirfor the following reasons:
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(1) The Final Plat conforms in every respect to the approved
Preliminary Plat.
(2) The City Engineer has recommended approval of the Final Plat.
(3) All of the financial obligations imposed upon the proprietor
by the City have been satisfied.
Mr. Smith, Chairman, declare(' Liae motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Sectretary, announced the next item on the agenda is a motion by the
City Planning Commission to hold a public hearing to determine whether
or not to vacate a storm drainage easement located with Fairway Sub-
division #2, west of Gill Road, south of Eight Mile Road in the North-
east 1/4 of Section 4.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Soranno and seconded by Mr. Straub, it was
#2-41-87 RESOLVED that, pursuant to Section 12.08.030 of the Livonia Code of
Ordinances, the City Planning Commission does hereby establish and
order that a Public Hearing be held to determine whether or not to
vacate a storm drainage easement located within Fairway Subdivision #2,
west of Gill Road, south of Eight Mile Road in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 4.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing be given in accordance
with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of the Livonia Code of Ordinances,
as amended.
140 Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is approval of the
minutes of the 531st Regular Meeting & Public Hearings held by the City
Planning Commission on February 10, 1987.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Hildebrandt, seconded by Mrs. Naidow and unanimously
adopted, it was
412-42-87 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 531st Regular Meeting & Public Hearings
held by the City Planning Commission on February 10, 1987 are approved.
Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mrs. Hildebrandt and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-43-87 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby determine to table
Petition 87-1-8-2 by Shaw Electric Company requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.58 of Zoning Ordinance #543 in connection
with a proposal to reconstruct a fire-damaged commercial building located
on the east side of Farmington Road, north of Schoolcraft in Section 22,
until the Planning Commission Study Meeting of March 17, 1987.
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Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Straub and seconded by Mr. Soranno, it was
112-44-87 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the
City Council that Petition 87-2-8-3 by Fred J. Armour requesting approval
of all plans required by Section 18.47 of Zoning Ordinance #543 in con-
nection with a proposal to construct a new commercial building on the
north side of Seven Mile Road between Shadyside and Farmington Road in
Section 3 be approved subject to the following conditions:
(1) that the Site Plan 86D-647, dated 2/20/87, prepared by Affiliated
Engineers, Inc, which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(2) that Building Plan 86D-647, dated 2/20/87, prepared by Affiliated
Engineers, Inc. , which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(3) that Landscape Plan 86D-647, dated 2/20/87, prepared by Affiliated
Engineers, Inc. which is hereby approved shall be adhered to and
all landscape materials installed on the site prior to building
occupancy; and
(4) that any roof-mounted mechanical units shall be screened from view.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Straub, Soranno, Kluver, Morrow, Sobolewski, Naidow, Smith
NAYS: Hildebrandt, Vyhnalek
f Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Hildebrandt, seconded by Mr. Morrow and unanimously
adopted, it was
112-45-87 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve Petition
87-2-8-4 by Mobil Oil Corporation requesting approval of all plans
required by Section 18.58 of Zoning Ordinance #543 in connection with
a proposal to reconstruct a self-serve station located on the north side
of Plymouth Road between Farmington and Stark Roads in Section 28,
subject to the following conditions:
(1) that Site Plan 04-D5M, dated 2/11/87, prepared by Eron Kleckner &
Associates, which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(2) that Landscape Plan 0887, dated 2/13/87, prepared by Eron Kleckner
& Associates, which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(3) that Building Plan 10415GA, prepared by Mobil Oil Corporation
which is hereby approved shall be adhered to;
(4) that Canopy Plan 4311-5A, prepared by Mobil Oil Corporation which
is hereby approved shall be adhered to; and
liE: (5) that all landscape materials shown on the approved Landscape Plan
shall be installed on the site prior to building occupancy and there-
after maintained in a healthy condition.
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Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the forgoing resolution
adopted.
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( . Smith announced that the public hearing portion of the meeting would proceed at
this time and informed the audthecclose ofPetition
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both petitions related to the same property, they would be discussed as one petition.
Mrs. Sobolewski, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is the Pre-
liminary Plat for Carrington Estates Subdivision proposed to be located
south of Seven Mile Road between Wayne and Gill Roads in the Northwest
1/4 of Section 9.
Mr. Nagy: A letter in the file from the Fire Department indicates they have no
objection to this subdivision but their approval would be subject to
the cul-de-sac having proper dimensions for fire apparatus movement.
A letter from the Division of Engineering indicates they have no
objections to the proposal from an engineering standpoint. The Police
Department makes some recommendations regarding the width of the pave-
ment being thirty-one feet and that an additional right turn lane is
needed due to the traffic volume and nature of it on Seven Mile Road.
Lt. Thorne, Lieutenant, indicates his reservations concerning the place-
ment of spruce trees on the island of the cul-de-sac in that young
children may find them a good place for a game of hide-and-seek and
dash out in front of an unsuspecting motorist.
Mr. Vyhnalek: What about the cul-de-sac concern of the Fire Department?
Mr. Roskelly, 15126 Beech Daly: The minimum requirement is sixty feet and this is an
eighty-foot radius.
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Mr. Nagy: I think the problem is that the dimensions were not present on the plan
they had. Our office did send over a plan showing them.
Exavor Giller, 34785 Seven Mile Road: I have property next door. I am opposed to this
because we tried to purchase a part of the property about four years
ago for a residence but we backed away because these people said they
wanted to buy it for a residence themselves. Now they want to subdivide
it. My taxes have doubled since I moved there. I put in a private lake
and a swimming pool. A subdivision went in behind me and people were
told that that was a public lake. I was told by the developer that this
lake may have been put in illegally. This was supposed to be my retire-
ment home, I didn't ask anybody for any assistance when I put up a six
foot fence around the property. I am about 50% handicapped and I don't
want to leave Livonia. I was not able to attend the hearing when the
zoning change was taken up because I was out of town and I don't think
my son was here. The subdivision developer behind me offerred me
$22,000 per acre for my property. Rather than live next door to a
subdivision, I will move.
Larry Bennet, Attorney representing Exavor and Victor Giller: I got called this after-
noon with regard to this matter and with the work I could accomplish,
I think a better look should be given this area. The development
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proposed is a large density for a small area and I think one should
act slowly in approving this change. An environmental study should be
done. The people in the area have relied on the nature of the area and
I see nothing in the plan which is attempting to accommodate the exist-
ing homes and residences. I don't see any berms or landscaping. If
this gets approved, it should be in a much different form with accom-
modations to the residents. There is a need to blend this subdivision
into what is there. I don't think it should be approved at all. What
will this subdivision do for the City of Livonia? When you start
affecting the rural area, you start affecting the whole of Livonia. I
understand there is a significant price range and that leads me to
believe you will be left with a subdivision that doesn't sell. You
don't need an abandoned subdivision in the middle of this area. For
those reasons, I request that you give us a chance to first study the
ramifications that I outlined and give the developer an opportunity to
propose to you the means to blend that subdivision into the rural area.
Mr. Soranno: You are right that the price of the homes are very substantial and the
lot sizes are ninety feet. What would you like to see end up there?
If it is not single family homes, is there an appropriate use you see
for it?
Mr. Bennett: I feel a little disadvantaged in not having had an opportunity to study
the matter but I think what is there is appropriate. The high priced
homes concern me which promise the City a great tax base but if they
don't sell . . . I have seen it before, and that doesn't add anything to
the City.
IL Mr. Soranno: I don't think we have had a problem with any subdivision.
Mr. Roskelly: Mr. Giller indicated he was not in here when the rezoning was done but I
would like to point out that Mr. Giller, Jr. , was here and did not raise
any objection at that time. I think Mr. Giller implied that I said this
was an illegal pond but I said only that it was not shown on a City map.
Also, I think economics will permit the homes that I am going to build.
I feel as confident about them as my other homes. I personally believe
that due to this public hearing and the publication notice and the son
being at the rezoning meeting, it would be unfair to me to table this
tonight and I ask that the Board act on it tonight.
Mr. Morrow: Has the zoning gone through the City Council?
Mr. Roskelly: Yes.
Charles Smith, 18981 Laurel: We have 200' on the east side of this plat. When we
purchased the property in 1972, the reason was that it was zoned for
small farms. We will lose the privacy that we enjoy so much.
Mr. Smith: Were you at the rezoning hearing?
Mr. Smith; No, I was not.
Victor Giller, 18601 Laurel: I was here at the last meeting and I am definitely opposed
lir: to this.
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There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Smith,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on the Preliminary Plat for Carrington Estates
Subdivision closed.
ILOn a motion duly made by Mr. Vyhnalek, seconded by Mrs. Hildebrandt and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-46-87 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on February 23,
1987, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council
that the Preliminary Plat for Carrington Estates Subdivision proposed to be
located south of Seven Mile Road between Wayne and Gill Roads in the North-
west 1/4 of Section 9 be approved, subject to the waiving of the open require-
ment contained in the Subdivision Rules & Regulations, for the following
reasons:
(1) The proposed Preliminary Plat is drawn in compliance with the
Subdivision Rules and Regulations and the Zoning Ordinance.
(2) The proposed Preliminary Plat provides a reasonable design
for the land area involved.
(3) No reporting City department objects to the approval of this
Preliminary Plat.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was sent to abutting
property owners, proprietor, City departments as listed in the Proof of
Service and copies of the Plat together with notice have been sent to the
Building Department, Superintendent of Schools, Fire Department, Police
leDepartment and Parks & Recreation Department.
4 Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Hildebrandt left the meeting at this time.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 87-2-1-8
by William Roskelly for Jack Shenkman requesting to rezone property
located on the south side of Seven Mile Road, east and west of Newburgh
Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 7 and the Northwest 1/4 of Section
8 from AG to R-3, R-4, R-7 and R-8; and, Petition 87-2-1-9 for rezoning
of the same properties from C-2 and AG to C-2, C-4II, P.O. I and P.O. II.
Mr. Smith requested that all parties speaking on this petition attempt to concentrate
on zoning matters only. The site plan would not be discussed this evening and even
though the site plan may have to be considered in discussions, he asked that the site
plan issue be kept to a minimum of discussion.
Mr. Nagy: Copies of the reports from the Police and Fire Divisions and the Engineering
Division are in your notebooks. A petition was submitted this evening con-
taining the signatures of six people who object to this rezoning proposal.
There are also other petitions in the file with signatures of more than 180
people objecting to this proposal which were received in the Planning
Department.
1 William Roskelly, petitioner for Jack Shenkman, was present.
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Patricia Smith, 22900 Five Mile Road, representing the petitioner: We did have an
opportunity to meet with many of the neighbors and hopefully answered some
of their questions. We made some constructive changes they wanted. Some
people would like Margareta closed off. Others wanted Curtis Road to go
all the way out to Newburgh. We have done that. We are here strictly for
rezoning, however, I am going to assume that most of these people would want
to know what we have in mind for the site. The owner and developer is Mr.
Shenkman who has done a lot of work in Livonia and has been in real estate
development since 1935. Mr. Shenkman is the owner and developer of the
Livonia Mall.
Kenneth Neumann, Architect, 26877 Northwestern Hwy. , Southfield: I am here to try
briefly to explain the development. I will try to keep my remarks to the
issue of zoning. The zoning packages were developed on the basis of a con-
ceptual plan. We have a map of the area provided by the City showing Six
Mile at the bottom, Seven Mile at the top and the Interstate at the left
edge. Our proposal is a response to two scales of development within the
area. One scale is single family housing. We have included on this photo
developments approved by the City, some under construction, showing that
in addition to the single family residential there was another scale of
development which is a bi-product of development going along the Freeway.
It was our plan to carry the existing zonings into future development. The
outer ring remains residential, the inner ring non-residential. The edges of
the site stay with the existing density and the most density is toward the
center. Toward the center, we are asking for a classification that would
accommodate an eight-story hotel. There is P.O. I and P.O. II in the heart
of the development. We have also developed a road system showing additional
connections to Newburgh Road. Approximately half the site is developed in a
residential mode and half the site in a non-residential mode. The concept is
that the highest building be furthest from residential. The intention of the
developer is to develop one building of approximately 100,000 square feet in
the P.O. on the west side of Neurgh the twohthe kindsrofldential develoopmentgcanvworked
at a later time. We believe that
together. We recognize that this project and buildings and increase in the
residential will have an impact on the roads. We have retained Reid, Cool
and Michalski, Traffic Consultants, and Mr. Carl Kleitsch, Traffic Engineer,
is here this evening.
Carl Kleitsch, Traffic Engineer, Reid, Cool & Michalski, 29623 Northwestern Hwy. ,
Southfield: We did a study of the existing traffic in the area at Newburgh
and Seven Mile from 7 to 9 in the morning and 4 to 6 in the evening on an
average day. We utilized traffic generation data to determine information
as to trips that would be generated. We estimate that there would be 40%
to and from the east, 40% to and from the west, 10% to and from the north,
and 10% to and from the east. We found that the existing roadway would not
be able to handle the existing traffic with the additional trips so we made
the suggestion that Seven Mile be a divided highway with deceleration lanes
into the development. Instead of left turn lanes, we have shown turn-arounds
so that right turns would be made. Also, no left turn at the intersection
with two right-turn lanes.
Mr. Soranno: Your study was done in October?
li:40 Mr. Kleitsch: On the 9th.
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Mr. Neumann: We have no interest in a hotel, per se. The hotel was developed as a
subsequence of a major office park. The hotel would be a convenience
to people in that office park. There may or may not be a need for that
hotel. If a feasibility study shows no need for a hotel, then no hotel
will be built.
Mr. Soranno: Originally, we had been looking at that property as a prime source for
single family residential or condos, particularly the east portion.
Charlott Mahoney, 18633 Williams Ct. : There are more people in this room than abut
the property and I think it is important to note that they have come
to show their feelings. The land will not always stay agricultural and
we are not opposed to change but the quality of life in this section of
Livonia would be rudely interrupted with an eight-story office building.
I think the single family and two- or three-story condos could be
accepted and not be harmful to our property values.
0 Carl Ritter, President of Aspen Civic Association: Our Association has not had a
chance to meet but we will be meeting two weeks from tonight. I am
sure our Association will go on record as opposing anything but resi-
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Maureen Vollmer, 36694 Clarita: The developer made contact in our neighborhood and we
had a meeting with him mainly because we wanted to know what was happen-
ing. I have a petition with signatures of people who are opposed to
this rezoning. We are looking for the land to remain in a residential
use. This is a residential area. The land is flat and anything over
two stories would be in view. The traffic is a major concern. It is
very difficult to get out of the subdivision onto Seven Mile Road.
Curtis going through to Levan Road -- we have a school on that road and
we don't want people cutting through to avoid the traffic jam. The
corners are commercial and we don't see any need to expand that com-
mercial. Homes are selling in Livonia and you will have a lot of happy
people if you keep this area residential.
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William Lute, 19358 Newburgh: There are lines of traffic back to my driveway on Seven
Mile Road. There are three hotels within a mile of here. I wanted to
build a barn but the City of Livonia told me I can't go over a height of
sixteen feet. Think of us people just once.
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Robert Oliver, 37730 Dardanella: I represent Melody Manor and we are strongly against
the commercial development of this property. We feel there is too much
emphasis on the commercial aspects of this project. We are the people
that are being effected. We are strongly against the R-8 zoning. Condos
are fine. The single family houses are fine. With the continuation of
Margareta into our subdivision, people would be going right through our
subdivision. We want this to be residential.
Mary Sora, 36697 Seven Mile Road: I have been a resident for thirteen years. We have
tried for thirteen years to slow the speed limit down. The County is now
broke. Who is going to fix the roads? There are accidents here all
the time. I had to call an ambulance for a four-car accident. We have
had cars catching on fire. When the traffic from Victor comes out and
the traffic from this group, it will be much worse. This will take a
lot more than a one hour traffic study.
Joseph Lemieux, 18839 Blue Skies: This site plan makes a mockery of Livonia's Master
Plan. It is surrounded on all three sides by high quality residential
and puts high story buildings in the middle. Is it true that since this
is a rezoning issue, the developer is not bound at all by these plans?
Mr. Smith: That is true.
IL William Hunter, 16395 Houghton: I represent 121 homeowners. I would like to hear the
reports from the Fire and Police Departments that Mr. Nagy referred
to earlier.
Mr. Nagy read the letters received from the Police and Fire Departments.
Mr. Hunter: I am curious as to whether or not the traffic study incorporated the
traffic created by Jacobson's, when completed.
Mr. Kleitsch: No, it did not.
Mr. Hunter: I frequently exit left and wait a minimum of three minutes to get out
into the traffic. 600 cars will extend that period by quite a bit. We
object also on the basis of the lights that will be illuminating from
buildings in this development. We don't think Livonia needs this devel-
opment. The residents here expect the City of Livonia to look at our
interests first. We also believe a development of this magnitude will
be a burden on the Police and Fire Departments. I hope that the Livonia
Mall is not representative of the development. Five years after develop-
ment without proper maintenance, developments like Livonia Mall appear.
John Casey, 19377 Fitzgerald: Everybody on Fitzgerald is against this project. Nobody
objects to the residential inside; only outside. The Livonia Ordinance
states that if 10% of the residents object to the rezoning, it takes a
3/4 vote of the Council to pass it. If Mr. Shenkman develops the outer
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area with residential, he will own all the land and we will have no
rights at all.
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Resident, 18274 University Park: I live in the Woods. If this is allowed to be com-
pleted, I doubt if there will be any woods. I agree with most of what
has been said but would like to go on record as being opposed to the R-7
zoning.
Lawrence Millen, 36744 Curtis: When we purchased in the City, we were told that heavy
development had to set aside an area as a common area. These plans do
not show this common area. I object to the hotel.
Phillip Jakubowski, 18628 Comstock: I moved here from Canton because Canton seemed to
be going down. With the amount of office space going up now on the north
side of Seven Mile and the Victor complex and the Schoolcraft College
proposed development, do we really need this kind of office develop-
ment in Livonia? Has a study been done in and around the City of Detroit
to show what would be available in 1987? Crain's says that 1.5 million
square feet of office space will be available in 1987. Do we need more?
What do we really gain by this development?
Lawrence DiBasio, 19249 Fitzgerald: The problems here will be magnified one hundred
times the last development for the corn field here. I would ask that you
don't turn Livonia into another Southfield. I would ask that you review
both of these petitions and keep the area residential.
Jack Engebretson, 18871 Comstock: I am here in opposition to this project. You in-
formed us in your opening statement what was going on here and said if
the petitooner is denied, he has the right to appeal.
1[4e Mr. Smith: This will go to the City Council after the Commission acts on the peti-
tion. The right to appeal is on a waiver of use petition.
Mr. Engebretson: Do we as citizens who are opposed to this commercial development have
any legal recourse or right to appeal?
Mr. Smith: We send a recommendation to the City Council and they will hold a public
hearing just like this one. After that, there is the court.
Mr. Nagy: You always have the right to appeal in court but your elected officials
are there to represent you in this.
Mr. Engebretson: I challenge Mr. Neumann to show me proof mathmatically as to how I
won't be shadowed by that monster of a building when I am on my patio.
I live in the house right here (closest house). And, how can you even
consider giving a license even to any citizen of Livonia let alone hotel
people who may not even build a hotel here? I think there has been mis-
interpretation and I think the plans have been flubbed. I want you to
know we are damned concerned about this.
Mr. Morrow: You asked why we even consider this. It is because the gentleman is a
property owner and he is allowed to petition to see if he can develop his
property which is the right of any property owner. By law, we are
required to consider any petition brought before us.
Mr. Engebretson: I'm sorry, I meant no offense.
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Resident: We have a new home in Pride's Court. In front of our subdivision we
have the airlines and the green monster sitting off to the side. It
adds nothing to our subdivision. It has wrecked our subdivision.
j' I am very upset even thinking about having an office building here.
George Boller, 36270 Hammer:
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Mr. Smith: Quite a bit but we are interested in your comments. We have had quite
a detailed study.
Mr. Boller: Can I assume the members are quite familiar about the details?
Mr. Smith: Assume what you want but we are interested in hearing your comments.
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Mr. file?
Mr. Nagy: There is a petition that was delivered this evening. I read the two
reports from the Fire and Police Departments and there is a letter from
the Engineering Division.
Mr. Boller: Is there a letter from Harold Thomas Nursery in the file?
Mr. Nagy: In Petition 87-2-1-9, there is a letter from Harold Thomas Nursery.
Mr. Boller: Would you read that letter please?
III Mr. Nagy read the letter from Harold Thomas Nursery which indicated that they have no
Itobjection to this petition.
: Mr. Boller: Is that on Harold Thomas's stationery?
Mr. Nagy: Yes.
Mr. Boller: Now, don't you think Harold Thomas would like to sell some nursery
stock for this development?
Mr. Smith: You are questioning everybody and it is not your place to do that.
Your place is to give your opinion as a Livonia citizen.
Mr. Boller: My opinion is that this Commission is deficient in its duty if the
developer is not called on instead of having his servants here.
Mr. Boller: Mr. Neumann, has this developer applied for a tax break?
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Mr. Boller: In connection with the rezoning, is it not correct that a rezoning for
office can include a zone for apartments?
Mr. Smith:Li No.
IL/ Mr. Boller: Have these studies been scrutinized by the Engineering Department?
Mr. Smith: They have. Mr. Clark, Assistant City Engineer, is here and will answer
any questions anyone may have.
Gary Clark, Assistant City Engineer: Our office has reviewed the rezoning petition but
have not seen any site plans. We have projected some ideas as to the
impact that this development may have on the City. Some areas have
already been covered like storm drainage and sanitary sewer and, to a
lesser degree, water along Newburgh Road. I have seen no hard plans as
yet on this project.
Mr. Boller: Do any members of the Commission live within the affected area?
Mr. Smith: Some do.
Mr. Kluver: I do and I live in the flood plain.
Mr. Boller: Are any Commissioners going to refrain from voting on the petitions?
One of the members is not here.
Mr. Morrow: The members here will be voting.
Upon further urging of interested persons in the audience, Mr. Boller gave up the
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micro-phone and returned to his seat.
Bruce Bussell, 17869 University Park: The strips that are for R-7 -- compared with
the areas already existing -- how could they be commercial feasible
for condos? Looking at the site plans, I think they are a bunch of
balderdash. I live next to Brashear Tower and I can see that build-
ing from a half-mile away. We would have a skyline of six- and eight-
story buildings that would over-awe all other developments. I am
opposed to the project. I think it is a red herring.
Mrs. Robert Sleep, 18755 Blue Skies: Has a study been done to find out how feasible
it is to live in Livonia? If you look ar any multi-listing, houses
sell almost immediately. I think the whole area as residential can
sell. The Traffic Engineer said 1,800 cars per day. We sat in on all
the Victor hearings and I don't agree with what the Engineer said.
Irene Szalay, 18815 Blue Skies: I went door-to-door last night to get a feeling of
how people feel about this and not one was happy about what's proposed
for this development. I bought a nuuse that needed a lot of work and
put my heart into it. There are many young people here with children.
If I have to sell my house at a loss, will you pick up the loss like
Detroit?
Mr. Smith: When you first bought and saw a stub street like Clarita, what did you
(1 think was going to happen to that land there?
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Ms. Szalay: I had a little faith in Livonia. I thn»ght that eventually it would be
residential.
Carolyn Diaz, 19555 Fitzgerald: At a meeting with Mr. Shenkman, I asked what would go
if the hotel did not go in and he said probably another eight-story
office building.
Larry Bartell, 37655 Margareta: I am opposed to the petition.
Mr. Smith: Mr. Shenkman, the developer, is here tnlevening and I believe he wants
to say a few words. Through this hearing, he has listened to the com-
ments of you people and I would hope that you would show him the same
respect.
Jack Shenkman, Developer: We have tried to do a good planning job and I think that all
the information we have we can defend. I bought the property and I
own it. I am not petitioning for tax abatement or economic development
funds to finance the project. It will all be done by private financing.
Lawrence Schweiger, sooyti .,unnydale: I am concerned about sewers. When you replace
seepage with concrete, you have to allow somewhere for water to run.
This could be a major problem in the future. The people here will have
to put the pressure on the Council, not this Commission.
Kurt Nims, 18262 University Park: I am the Treasurer of the Woods: The Board dis-
cussed what might be happening. We were to meet tonight. I ask that
the Commission table this pending input from the people in our area.
10 There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Smith,
Chairman, declared the public hearings on Petitions 87-2-1-8 and 87-2-1-9 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Straub and seconded by Mr. Morrow, it was
X12-47-87 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on February 24,
1987 on Petition 87-2-1-8 by William Roskelly for Jack Shenkman request-
ing to rezone property located on the south side of Seven Mile Road and
on the east and west sides of Newburgh Road in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 7 and the Northwest 1/4 of Section 8 from AG to R-3, R-4, R-7
and R-8, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 87-2-1-8 be denied for the following reasons:
(1) The proposed changes of zoning are not supported by the Future
Land Use Plan which recommends retention of the Golf Course on
the west and low-density residential on the east.
(2) The proposea changes of zoning will not provide for the subject
area to be developed in keeping with the established character
of the surrounding neighborhoods.
(3) The proposed changes of zoning are not in the best interest of
the City of Livonia or the adjacent neighborhoods in that they
will not adequately protect and enhance the peace and tranquility
of the area.
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FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was given in accordance
with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance 41543, as amended.
L Mr. Morrow: The question in my mind is, should the development we see along I-275
be continued along this particular section of Newburgh Road. I do not
feel that it should. I view Livonia primarily as a residential area.
My feeling is that we must reserve the residential property for resi-
dential growth in the future. We don't have that much left and when
a piece of property is developed, it should be developed in its
entirety.
Mr. Straub: I believe this to be a major departure from the Master Plan and I think
it is not in the best interests of the City.
Mr. Vyhnalek: I am for the houses and condos but I have to go along with Mr. Morrow
that the entire parcel should be developed at one time.
Mr. Kluver: The traffic study is an emgineered analysis. A large development with
impact to the area will generate a tremendous amount of new traffic.
Many years ago, the City put in a good road system to permit orderly
growth and development, however, the size of this development will
effect the traffic in the surrounding area and I am concerned about
the ripple effect that this traffic would have in the area. My other
concern is sanitary and storm sewers. I believe we should look at
these things in our planning and development with prudent use of land.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Straub, Morrow, Kluver, Soranno, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Naidow
NAYS: Smith
ABSENT: Hildebrandt
Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Soranno, seconded by Mr. Kluver and unanimously adopted,
it was
#2-48-87 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on February 24,
1987 on Petition 87-2-1-9 by William Roskelly for Jack Shenkman request-
to rezone property located on the south side of. Seven Mile Road and
on the east and west sides of Newburgh Road in the Northeast 1/4 of
S@ction 7 and Northwest 1/4 of Section 8 from C-2 and AG to C-2,
C-4II, P.O. I and P.O. II, the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 87-2-1-9 be denied for
the following reasons:
(1) The proposed changes of zoning are not supported by the Future
Land Use Plan.
(2) The proposed changes of zoning will not promote development of
the area which is compatible to and in harmony with the estab-
lished residential uses in the surrounding area.
(3) The proposed changes of zoning will provide for a collection of
uses which will have an unacceptable level of adverse impacts on
the area such as a significant increase in vehicular traffic
volumes and noise levels.
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(4) The proposed changes of zoning are incompatible to and not in
harmony with the existing developments in the area.
it:i FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was given in accordance
IA/ with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Smith, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 532nd Regular Meeting and
Public Hearings held by the City Planning Commission on February 24,
1987 was adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
Donna J. Naidow, Secretary
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ATTEST:
C. Russ Smith, Chairman
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