HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1986-01-07 9513
MINUTES OF THE 508TH REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS. HELD BY THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
On Tuesday, January 7, 1986, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 508th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings in the Livonia City Hall, 33000
Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan,
Mr, R. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m., with approx-
imately two hundred persons in the audience.
Members present: R. Lee Morrow Herman Kluver Sue Sobolewski
Donna Naidow Michael Soranno Michael Duggan
C. Russ Smith Donald Vyhnalek Jeanne Hildebrandt
Messrs, John J. Nagy, Planning Director; H. G. Shane, Assistant Planning Director,
and Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner VI, were also present.
Mr. Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves a
rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the City Council
who, in turn will hold its own public hearing and decide the question. If a
petition involves a waiver of use request and the request is denied, the petitioner
has ten days in which to appeal the decision to the City Council; otherwise the
petition is terminated.
Mr. Morrow informed the audience that at the time the City Planning Commission
approved the site plan for the new police station a model was not available for
review but the architect is with us tonight and he would take a few moments to
present it to the Planning Commission. The architect then proceeded to show the
plans.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 85-9-3-7
by Gregory J. Stempien for J.A.R. Company requesting the vacating of a
portion of the right-of-way on Oporto from Eight Mile to Morlock in the
Northeast 1/4 of Section 2.
Mr. Nagy: There is a letter in the file from the Engineering Division
dated November 25, 1985 stating that they note that this
description is predicated on retaining a 20 foot wide
easement for public utilities along the westerly 20 feet
of the street right-of-way to be vacated but they have
no objections to the proposal.
There is also a letter in the file from Detroit Edison
stating they have no objection to the proposed vacation.
Gregory J. Stempien, 16832 Newburgh Road: I represent the petitioner in this
matter. Originally this came before the City on a request
to waive the set-back requirements for fencing. It was
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111, at that time that we determined there was a right-of-way.
The right-of-way has been used expressly by the previous
owner. My client, J.A.R. Company, recently purchased
and we realized we couldn't get a waiver on the fence.
The previous owner on the west had put a fence up along
Eight Mile and along back of property enclosing the en-
tire area. The right-of-way has been used as a driveway
with access to the building that is presently on the
property. Subsequent to that petition, my client then
purchased the other half of Lot 172, 173, 174 and 175.
We then presented to City Council a request for vacating
this and it was referred to this committee.
Mr. Morrow: Your petition runs all the way through Lot 175? Does your
client own all of the property that is shown on the easterly
side of the request for vacation?
Mr. Stempien: Yes.
Mr. Morrow: He owns Lots 173, 174 and 175?
Mr. Stempien: That is right. You have to understand this was vacant. They
had no particular use for it at that time and it is vacant
and they just bought it as a buffer.
to Mr. Morrow: The Planning Commission was not aware of the ownership of
Lots 173, 174 and 175. Our concern is we could landlock
173 and 174 but your client does own all of the property.
Mr. Stempien: Since I filed the petition my client had an option to purchase.
They do now have clear title to that property - all of 168,
169 all the way down to Morlock.
Mr. Morrow: Anything in the Engineering report or the Edison report that
would be a problem?
Mr. Stempien: No.
Mr. Vyhnalek: They purchased that for a buffer?
Mr. Stempien: Yes. They wanted to own the land behind them and they
didn't want anyone building directly behind them.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Three lots? No plans to put homes in there?
Mr. Stempien: No.
Mr. Vyhnalek: If we vacate this and he turns around and sells it and
someone wants to put a home in there, it is landlocked.
Mr. Stempien: We couldn't landlock it. We would be obligated to give
them an easement.
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IvMr. Morrow: Anyone in audience for or against?
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Morrow,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on Petition 85-9-3-7 closed.
On a motion by Mr. Vyhnalek, seconded by Mr. Smith and unanimously adopted, it was
#1-1-86 RESOLVED, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 7, 1986
on Petition 85-9-3-7 by Gregory J. Stempien for J.A.R. Company requesting
the vacating of a portion of the right-of-way on Oporto from Eight Mile to
Morlock in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 2, the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 85-9-3-7 be
approved with respect to the portion of right-of-way adjacent to lots
169 through 175 subject to retention of an easement over the west 20 feet
thereof, and for the following reasons:
1) No public purpose can be served by retaining the subject
right-of-way in public ownership.
2) The subject right-of-way can more properly be used and maintained
in private ownership.
3) No objections to the proposed vacating have been received from any
reporting City Department or Public Utility Company.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of the Code of
Ordinance, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 85-10-3-8
by Mark Gillespie requesting the vacating of the eastern 42 feet of the
existing 60 foot easement retained over the former Laurel Road Right of
Way between 8 Mile and Norfolk in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 4.
Mr. Nagy: There is a letter in the file from the Engineering Division
stating they have no reason to object to this petition from an
engineering standpoint. There is also a letter in the file
from Detroit Edison stating they have no objection to the
proposed vacation.
The petitioner was not present nor was a representative of the petitioner.
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Nagy were you aware the petitioner might not come tonight?
Mr. Nagy: No.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak for or against
this petition?
Anthony Amon, 28419 Gito: I am interested in buying property off of Gillespie
if it goes through. What will I have to do after that?
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li, Mr. Morrow: We have some easements in there that are precluding what
Mr. Gillespie is trying to accomplish. We are going to
vote tonight to see if those easements are still required
or can be modified.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Morrow,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on Petition 85-10-3-8 closed.
On a motion by Mrs. Naidow, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek and unanimously adopted, it was
#1-2-86 RESOLVED, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 7, 1986
on Petition 85-10-3-8 by Mark Gillespie requesting the vacating of the
eastern 42 feet of the existing 60 foot easement retained over the former
Laurel Road Right of Way between 8 Mile and Norfolk in the Northwest 1/4
of Section 4, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the
City Council that Petition 85-10-3-8 be approved for the following reasons:
1) The subject easement is no longer needed to protect public utilities
in the area.
2) No objections have been received from any reporting City Department
or Public Utility Company.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of the Code of
Ordinances, as amended.
11, Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 85-11-3-9
by the City Planning Commission requesting the vacating of Ashurst Road
between Rayburn and Oakdale and also the vacating of Oakdale and
Rayburn Avenue between Southampton and Ashurst in the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 16.
Mr. Nagy: There is a letter in the file from the Engineering Division
dated December 2, 1985 stating that since there is an
existing 12" storm sewer within the Rayburn Avenue Right-
of-Way as well as overhead utility lines within the Ashurst
Right-of-Way, it is recommended that full width easements
for public utilities be retained over all portions of
rights-of-ways that may be vacated. We note further there
is an existing sidewalk within the present right-of-way
on Rayburn Avenue. Should this right-of-way be vacated,
it should be the owners obligation to remove the existing
public walk rather than the City of Livonia.
There is also a letter in the file from Detroit Edison
stating they have no objection to the proposed vacation.
Irving Slotnick, 15925 Southampton: I am the owner of four lots north of Rayburn.
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There is a sidewalk going down here which originally was a
subdivision sidewalk. Will I have to bear the expense of
removing that sidewalk?
Mr. Morrow: This would be the indication of the Engineering Department
and I am sure the indication of the Planning Commission.
If the petition were passed, we would be vacating it but
we would not be bearing any expense.
Mr. Slotnick: I must accept the property because I am the adjacent owner.
Is there any way I can avoid incurring that expense?
Mr. Nagy: It is not mandatory for you to remove the sidewalk but if
you want it removed, you must bear the expense.
Mr. Slotnick: There is a storm sewer running along this property. That
will be an easement.
Mr. Morrow: Yes
Mr. Slotnick: I can landscape it, etc?
Mr. Morrow: It will become your property.
Mr. Slotnick: The other question I have is when I get half of this property
and the neighbors get the other half will we pay the taxes
on the number of feet - is that thirty feet?
1100 Mr. Morrow: Well, I don't want to speak for the assessor. It would be
your property subject to taxation.
Mr. Nagy: I really can't speak either for the assessor. Obviously
your property becomes 30 feet wider. You have this particular
amount of real estate available to you for your own personal
private use. You must look at the total value. I don't
think that 30 feet is going to have a material affect on
the value of your property. I really don't think it is
going to make your house that much more valuable than the
other houses.
Mr. Morrow: Any concerns, stop by and see assessor.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Morrow,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on Petition 85-11-3-9 closed.
On a motion by Mr. Soranno, seconded by Mr. Smith and unanimously adopted, it was
#1-3-86 RESOLVED, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 7, 1986
on Petition 85-11-3-9 by the City Planning Commission requesting the
vacating of Ashurst Road between Rayburn and Oakdale and also the vacating
of Oakdale and Rayburn Avenue between Southampton and Ashurst in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 16, the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 85-11-3-9 be approved
subject to the retention of full width easements over the respective
rights-of--way for the following reasons:
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1) No public purpose can be served by retaining the subject rights-
of-way in public ownership.
2) The subject right-of-way areas can more properly be used and
maintained in private ownership.
41, 3) No objections have been received from any reporting City
Department or Public Utility Company.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given
in accordance with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of the Code
of Ordinances, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 85-12-2-47
by KFC Take Home Food Co. requesting waiver use approval to construct a
Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant proposed to be located on the west
side of Farmington Road south of Schoolcraft Road in the Northeast 1/4
of Section 28.
Mr. Nagy: There are letters in the file from the Police Department and
the Fire Department stating they have no objections to the
project. There is a letter in the file from Philip Barth,
18845 Beech Daly, stating he is opposed to this petition.
There is a letter in the file from Engineering Department
stating that it appears that an easement was retained over
the original vacated alley to accommodate Detroit Edison
iso facilities. The existing pole line within the vacated alley
may have to be relocated in order to maintain specified
411, clearances from the proposed building area. In addition,
it is recommended that the drive approaches be reviewed by
both the Wayne County Road Commission and the Michigan
Department of Transportation with respect to their interests
in Farmington Road and Schoolcraft Road respectively.
Norman Masters, Petitioner's Representative: Back on June 11th we appeared before
this body and we then went to City Council and there was an
election. On advice from the Mayor we were requested to with-
draw our petition because of the election. It would be better
if we had a full council.
Mr. Morrow: You did not appeal at that time?
Mr. Masters: That is right. We withdrew. I have with me tonight the
architect and he informs me the State Highway has already
approved our service drive and we have been to the County.
We have worked with the Planning Department. We have
given you landscaping and everything you desire. As far
as we are aware of, we met all of your requirements. If
not, we are not aware of it. I understand that there was
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approved a 24-hour donut shop on the northwest corner. The
fact is we would not be a 24-hour operation.
tw Mr. Morrow: It is under construction now. There was a donut shop approved
to the north.
'r Mr. Duggan: For clarification, the City Council did turn down your petition.
It was after the election and an outgoing council member brought
a motion for reconsideration. They did consider it and turned
it down.
Mr. Masters: Maybe you are correct. I have a copy of a letter dated Novem-
ber 20 asking that we be withdrawn from the agenda. Was that
after your election?
Mr. Duggan: That was a motion for reconsideration?
Mr. Masters: I stand corrected.
Mr. Duggan: They did not withdraw their petition. It was voted down by
City Council but there was a reconsideration.
Mr. Morrow: Any questions of the petitioner before we go to the audience.
Mrs. Sobolewski: Are there any changes at all?
1110 Mr. Masters: Not that I am aware of. It is the same basic plan as before.
Mr. Soranno: You mentioned you are not going to be open 24 hours. What
will your hours be?
460 Mr. Masters: Ten to eleven hours a day.
Mr. Smith: Back in June or May, I don't know about all the references
you made to the election, we, at least I did, weighed the
facts on what was detrimental to the neighborhood and I
felt that that was not the proper spot for a Kentucky Fried
Chicken and I voted to deny and I see no change in that
regardless of what feelings came along with the election so
I see no reason to change my vote.
Mr. Masters: Let me say this. This type of building is a new concept.
It is not just a take-out. It is take-out, set-down and
drive-through.
Mr. Morrow: Anyone in audience wishing to speak for or against?
Mr. Kurtz, Shaw Electric Company: I have two big problems with this franchise
going in. The first is the traffic problems. During rush
hours both morning and afternoon, it is a tough intersection
to get on or off the expressway. During evening hours it
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would be a prime time for business. They would be running
in and out and would add to traffic problems. My second
problem is all the fast food enterprises, personal opinion,
big red bucket, is the ugliest thing I can think of. To
have it sitting on the corner of the intersection where
40/ people are coming into the Civic Center. This is what we
see? I think that would not look good at all. We have
some nice developments on the three corners. This would
do nothing but detract from them. The donut shop looks
good. He did a good job on it.
Mr. Morrow: You said you represent Shaw Electric?
Mr. Kurtz: Shaw Electric and Metro Plex.
Mr. Duggan: Kentucky Fried Chicken is at the end of my street. Those
red and white buckets, you do get used to them.
Mr. Morrow: He is entitled to his opinion.
Angelo D'Orazio, 17823 Country Club: I own building south of property and I
don't think that is the right place to put a restaurant
because of the smell. You will see trucks on my parking
lot. I have problems now with people parking on my property.
I don't like to see restaurant next to office building.
110 Mr. Masters: If bucket is a problem, we do not have to have it. There
are cases where we do not put the bucket up. It is not
something we couldn't get away from. As far as traffic is
concerned, we were involved in Middlebelt and Schoolcraft.
That intersection is the same as this intersection and you
46, have had no problems relative to traffic flow. I don't
think it is a problem. As to last gentleman, if we could
develop this area, we wouldn't let people park on his lot.
Mr. Morrow: Anyone else wishing to speak for or against?
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Morrow,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on Petition 85-12-2-47 closed.
On a motion by Mrs. Hildebrandt, seconded by Mr. Duggan and unanimously adopted, it was
#1-4-86 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby deny Petition
85-12-2-47 by KFC Take Home Food Co. requesting waiver use approval to
construct a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant proposed to be located
on the west side of Farmington Road south of Schoolcraft Road in
the Northeast 1/4 of Section 28, for the following reasons:
1) The petitioner has failed to affirmatively show that the proposed
use is in compliance with the general waiver use standards and
requirements set forth in Section 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance.
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2) The proposed use would be detrimental to and incompatible with the
surrounding uses in the area.
3) The proposed use would not promote the orderly growth and
development of the surrounding area in accordance with the Future
Land Use Plan.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given
in accordance with the provisions of Section 12.08.030 of Ordinance
#543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Preliminary
Plat for Canterbury Estates Subdivision proposed to be located on
the east side of Shadyside Avenue, north of Seven Mile Road in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 3.
Mr. Nagy: There are letters in the file from the Police Department and
the Fire Department stating they have no objections to the
project.
The petitioner was not present nor was a representative of the petitioner.
to Mr. Nagy: I cannot explain his absence.
Mr. Morrow: We will proceed without him. Anyone wishing to speak for or
against?
Kenneth Dunivant, 19371 Shadyside: Going to be rezoned from commercial to
46, professional building?
Mr. Nagy: No, single family residential. Zoning is not being changed.
This is a hearing on the proposed subdivision.
Henry Kostin, 19241 Shadyside: Would it be possible that a road would be
running from east to west. Could that be planned?
Mr. Morrow: Not according to plans.
Mr. Dunivant: The reason I'm asking is the last time I attended a
developer was showing a proposed so-called road.
Mr. Nagy: No provision is made for any future roads. Only single
family housing is proposed.
Mr. Ford, 19175 Shadyside: I wasn't even notified of this meeting and I want
to ask why.
Mr. Morrow: Only property owners immediate to plat.
toMr. Ford: Don't you think these homes will be affected?
Mr. Morrow: We do publish it in paper of record.
46, Mr. Ford: How do I get to see this?
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Mr. Morrow: You read the Observer.
Mr. Ford: The petitioner is not here but five people have come. They
can have these meetings over and over again.
Mr. Morrow: We do publish it in our official newspaper, the Livonia
Observer, at least fifteen days prior to meeting.
Mr. Ford: I don't have any objections. I have no idea what he plans
to do.
Mr. Morrow: He plans to sell lots and build homes on those lots.
Mr. Nagy: You will have a full width street, 60 feet from right-of-
way line to right-of-way line so you will have a full
street instead of a half street.
Mr. Ford: If they build an apartment complex, I would not want the
heavy flow of traffic on Shadyside.
Mr. Morrow: It is not on plan. Anyone else wishing to speak for or
against petition?
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, announced that the public hearing on Preliminary Plat for
Canterbury Estates Subdivision was closed.
1100 On a motion by Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Hildebrandt and adopted, it was
#1-5-86 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January
7, 1986 on Preliminary Plat for Canterbury Estates Subdivision proposed
to be located on the east side of Shadyside Avenue, north of Seven Mile
Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 3, the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Preliminary Plat for
Canterbury Estates Subdivision be approved for the following reasons:
1) The proposed Plat is drawn in compliance with the Subdivision
Rules and Regulations and the Zoning Ordinance #543.
2) No adverse comments have been received from any reporting City
Department or other agency.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was sent to
abutting property owners, proprietor, City departments as listed
in the Proof of Service and copies of the plat together with
notice have been sent to the Building Department, Superintendent
of Schools, Fire Department, Police Department and Parks and
Recreation Department.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Hildebrandt, Soranno, Sobolewski, Duggan, Naidow, Smith
Morrow
NAYS: Vyhnalek
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ta Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mrs. Naidow, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 85-11-1-35,
as amended, by Charles Tangora for Victor International requesting to
46, rezone property located on the east side of 1-96/I-275 Freeway between
Seven and Eight Mile Roads in Section 6 from RUFC to C-4III; PO III;
PO.
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter in the file from the Engineering Department
stating (1) Consideration should be given to requiring the
developer to construct circular turn-around areas at the
ends of Hickory and Meadowview Lanes in Livonia Hills Estates
Subdivision and St. Martins and Northland Avenues. (2) The
widening of Newburgh Road and the installation of a traffic
signal at the intersection of Newburgh and the proposed new
two-lane road may be required. (3) There is no adequate
storm sewer outlet for the site. (4) The City has recently
awarded a contract for the construction of a sanitary sewer
on Seven Mile Road between Wayne Road and the freeway, as
well as sewers on Newburgh, St. Martins and Northland. It
may be necessary to make changes in the sizes of sewer lines
to be constructed under the recently awarded contract.
(5) The construction of a 16" water main easterly from
Haggerty Road across the freeway corridor and southerly to
Seven Mile Road may be required in connection with the
development of this site. (6) It is anticipated that
Wayne County will require certain improvements on Eight
Mile Road and Seven Mile Road in order to handle increased
traffic volumes and to facilitate ingress and egress from
46, the site.
We have a letter in the file from the Police Department
stating that any development of the area, be it residential
or commercial, will increase the crime statistics and need
for police service. We do not anticipate any unique problems
that would be generated by a project of this nature that
cannot be absorbed and controlled by the City of Livonia
Division of Police.
We have a letter in the file from the Fire Department
stating they have no objections to its development.
There is a letter in the file from Edward and Bernadine
Jowski, 19493 Newburgh indicating their opposition to
the granting of this petition. There is a letter in the
file from Thomas and Carol Sata, 37741 St. Martins, in-
dicating their opposition to the granting of this petition.
We have a letter in the file from Joe and Lillian Komos,
37715 St. Martins in opposition to the petition. There
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is a letter in the file in opposition from Raymond Gaston,
38685 Jahn Dr,
There is a letter in our file from Kenneth Stone in support
of the petition. There are also letters in our file from
the Legacy Committee and the Chamber of Commerce in support
of this petition.
Mr. Morrow: We have received a good deal of correspondence from the
neighbors to this site. Is the petitioner here?
Charles Tangora, 32900 Five Mile Road: I represent the petitioner. We are going
to have some of these experts who have made studies and have
them presented to the Planning Commission. Please present
any questions when they are making their presentation or when
they are through. We also have the architect and I would
like to stress here, before I turn it over to Mr. Johnson
to introduce the architect, that concept is a term we are
going to use throughout our presentation,
Twelve slides were shown.
Mr. Tangora: The tax base is obviously good. It will run anywhere from six
to ten million dollars, There will be expanding job opportunities
in the while collar area. The petition that you will see, I
think, completely meets the rules and policies of the 1-275
study done by the City. We have a developer who is going
11110 to develop the whole project. I would like to stress that
because of the size of this project, it will not be accomplished
within a year or two. It will take approximately ten years
to develop. It is the type of development that we are going
to be looking for corporate headquarters type of users and
to set their needs into the total development. The owner,
Mr. Johnson of Victor International, will retain complete
control. He will keep control of the landscaping, architectural,
etc. He is known as a quality developer. The types of
products he builds and develops in the metropolitan area are
quality products. He is not going to be selling off parcels
of land. He will present a master plan and will adhere to
that plan. This developer is not going to utilize any of
the residential streets. I would like to introduce you to
the president and owner of Victor International, Mr. Johnson.
I would like to mention that Mr. Johnson is sort of a home
grown product of Livonia. He lived here in Livonia for a
number of years. He is a graduate of Bentley High School.
He went on to Michigan State and is a graduate of Michigan
State .
Mr, Johnson: Good evening. I am proud to be before you tonight. As Mr.
Tangora mentioned, I am a long time resident of Livonia.
I have been a developer for fifteen years. This project
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represents a long term goal of me personally and our company.
We have worked, through the years, developing criteria of
what we thought could be the ideal luxury office buildings.
We determined to develop the property we needed in excess
of 80 acres. We would like to have property that had
topography, that it was essential that it have expressway
exposure and have available utilities and could be buffered
with surrounding residential areas. We are extremely excited
about it. It will be an asset to the City of Livonia. I
would like to show a few slides that highlight the property.
1st slide shows accessibility. 2nd slide shows a general
overview. 3rd slide shows aerial view. 4th slide looks
easterly over top of CBS Fox, 5th slide shows exit ramp
at 275 northbound. 6th slide shows closer view of southerly
section. 7th slide shows the high point at the north looking
back to 2.75 8th slide shows northerly section looking over
the Novi Hilton. 9th slide shows across expressway about
where the Jonah project starts. 10th slide is a concept
model. Now I would like to introduce the architect, Mr.
Kenneth Newman.
Kenneth Newman, 26887 Northwestern Hwy: We want to retain existing trees very
close to what presently exists. Would give us good exposure
to passing motorists and out of sight of residents. We
would put more cars in parking structure and maintain more
green space. The trees are a major factor in isolation.
11, This is not a project to be developed overnight. We see
ten years in developing. We would make the parking structures
as quiet statements as possible. It is important for us to
maintain a good relationship with neighbors. In order to
accomplish this we have developed a zoning plan. Develop
that area for commercial with home of hotel. P.O. maximum of
four stories. POIII will vary from four to twelve stories.
We can build a cohesive project that would make a handsome
contribution to the neighborhood.
Mr. Tangora: I would like to introduce the Traffic Engineer, Mr. Cool.
Mr. Cool: I will basically go through some of the items that we have
undertaken with regard to this project, We determined just
what traffic was in existence already on the adjacent street
system during the peak hours of 7:15 - 8:15 and 5:00 - 6:00.
We tried to forecast traffic by this project during morning
and afternoon peak hours. Based on our professional knowledge
of the area of traffic patterns, 75% will be utilizing the
I-275 freeway with 30% going north and 45% going south. We
have taken into consideration the total build out over ten
years and forecast traffic and added that to existing traffic
loads and have made recommendations on improvements needed.
It is our professional opinion that with these improvements
that the traffic added by this project will be able to be
accomodated by the roadway system with no significant
negative impact on the other streets.
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1,110 Bruce Holman, Consulting Engineer: After reviewing well logs, it became apparent
that ground water existed in two separate zones. Monitor wells
could be constructed on northern bounds. Septic fields would
not be impaired. Only four wells were at shallow depth.
Mr. Morrow: Do you own property?
Mr. Johnson: I own majority of property and two parcels on a purchase
agreement.
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Johnson, have you met prior to this hearing with the
area residents?
Mr. Tangora: He had told the subdivision president at meeting Mr. Johnson
attended for the Livonia Hills Subdivision, and Mr. Johnson
indicated at meeting, that he would meet with entire subdi-
vision and they felt that they would rather meet with them
than with entire subdivision.
Mr. Morrow: An attempt was made to meet with larger bodies.
Mr. Tangora: Other attempts have been made and we are ready, willing and
able to meet with them at any time, at any place.
Mr. Morrow: This is not the first time for some of the people tonight.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Traffic seems to be the big item for a lot of people Mr.
Cool. Did you take a survey of the traffic from I-275
on to Eight and Seven Mile Roads?
Mr. Cool: Yes.
Mr, Vyhnalek: What hours?
Mr. Cool: Four hours in the morning and four hours in the afternoon.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Was there backup on I-275 when getting off on Eight Mile
Road?
Mr. Cool: There is backlogging of traffic but it wasn't that bad.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Everytime I go out that way it has been difficult. Traffic
really bothers me. Same way Eight Mile to Newburgh.
Mr. Cool: Quite frankly, I don't have all the material of the
surveyors with me tonight. I can't be specific with regard
to the exact extent of the backup.
Mr. Morrow: Somebody said the first phase they would just use Seven
Mile exit.
Mr. Cool: Two office buildings and hotel. Yes, they could be
accomodated by Seven Mile.
Mrs, Hildebrandt: Mr. Cool, have you taken into your study the total project?
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t: Mr. Cool: Yes.
Mr. Nagy: The traffic report that was prepared by Mr. Cool does make
specific recommendations about traffic.
Mr. Johnson: We intend to cooperate with the city.
Mr. Morrow: Does the study indicate how many vehicles, etc.
Mr. Cool: They do this in peak hours. At completion of phase 3, two
office buildings and hotel, in the morning inbound traffic
would be 759 vehicles and outbound would be 188 vehicles.
In the afternoon, 180 vehicles inbound with 542 outbound.
Phase 1, initial office building, in the morning 335 inbound
and 63 outbound, and in the afternoon 49 in and 245 out.
At total buildout, in the morning 2580 in and 577 out and
in the afternoon 619 in and 1933 out.
Mr. Morrow: I appreciate that.
Mr. Soranno: You are not planning to connect that upper portion to parking?
You are going to have an additional green area?
Mr. Johnson: Yes. We would enhance it with landscaping. No need for that
to be parking.
11, Mr. Morrow: C4-III - phase 1- that would go up to twelve stories? Is that
really the height contemplated?
Mr. Johnson: It would give us the flexibility I feel we need. We are in
the 8 - 10 range on hotel.
Mr. Morrow: Anyone in the audience wishing to speak for or against the
petition?
Michael P. Linkevich, 37718 Northland Dr.: The reason I am here I represent lots
of the homeowners in the area. What I have to say to you tonight
are the feelings and beliefs we share in common. It has such
an impact on where we live. Basically all of us in this area
moved here because of the zoning that was there. I moved here
seven years ago generally because of the way it looked and in
viewing the master plan. We don't mind having neighbors if
developed as residential. We have looked at this development
and we basically have some very strong objections. We have
signed petitions which I can give to you now. The first one
is signed by all but one property owner who lives within 100
feet of proposed building complex. It states owners object
to development and we request that rezoning petition should
not be approved. I understand the way in which things have
been changed that this is not exactly as relevant as it had
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been but it does give us an idea of the feelings of the people
who border the property. The other petition states that people
who live in Section 6 object to buildings and should not be
approved. Another petition from people in Section 5 that
also objects to these buildings for reasons I will go into
in a little while. Quite a few people showed up tonight.
We object to just the building - 8-12 story building. The
highest building in Livonia right now is eight stories and
that just stuck out like a sore thumb and so will these build-
ings. We find it to be shocking and unsightly. The issue of
I-275 being noisy is not an issue. We are concerned about
a facility that will cause noise 24 hours a day. Crime. I
heard the report that Mr. Nagy read that it shouldn't have
any impact. It said they were looking at something similar.
There isn't anything like this in Livonia. We are going to
see crime and this has raised some really big fears.
Mr. Morrow: Getting back to report. Was Mr. Nagy talking in general terms
or Livonia only?
Mr. Nagy: The Police Chief's experience in relationship to developments
in Livonia.
Mr. Linkevich: The last thing I really want to talk about is traffic. Traffic
is the thing that has us most concerned. Right now there is an
increase in traffic in this area. Jacobsons is going to break
ground in spring. There will be increased traffic on the
roads just from Jacobsons. Eight Mile is a real problem. It
is a bottleneck right now. Even with the improvements being
suggested, we feel there will be problems. The parasitic
affect will bring more traffic. We feel it will create
a lot of problems with traffic, crime, etc. and we want to
live our lives and raise our families there and we object.
Mr. Morrow: Traffic is important.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Affect on property values. Could any of these gentlemen
shed any light on this.
Mr. Brian: We have looked at a couple of studies in Phoenix and Denver.
Properties have increased in value. You have to take into
consideration the kind of project going up. We think it
will have a positive effect.
Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much.
Ernest R. Andree, 37766 Northland Dr. : This is the only area up and down
that is basically surrounded by residential or historical
land. These are all older houses but they tend to be the
type of house anyone in project wants to buy.
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Nancy Gaston, 38685 Jahn: Back of my property backs up to project. I wanted
to say that we have an organization in our subdivision and
I am not thrilled with the project going in. I think it is
a beautiful project. I could see why Livonia would like
this. We are residents. We are paying a lot of high taxes
in that area. We don't get any city services. We don't
complain. Mr. Cool is invited over to my house any time
to observe traffic at Eight Mile and I-275. It starts up
at 7:30 - 8:00 and 3:30 - 6:00. It ties up on expressway
at Eight Mile Road. Also there are cars that have broken
down with no where to go. So we know traffic problems.
My home is a large home costing $100,000.00 and I am one
of the highest tax payers. I will never get the asking
price for my house. Ten years of construction in my
backyard.
Mr, Morrow: Mr. Tangora there were a number of questions asked. Would
anyone respond.
Mr. Tangora: We have built luxury residential in Detroit area but it will
not go here, You will be proud of the hotel that will go
in there.
Julia Sleek, 18755 Blue Skies: We just purchased our house six months ago. I
check on zoning. It was strictly residential. I would never
have purchased a $70,000.00 house in that area if I knew I
would look out my back door and see a commercial skyscraper.
Robert Siegmund, 38525 Eight Mile Road: Driveway would be at Eight Mile. Getting
in and out is great fun. School buses take four or five
minutes getting out. Widening road is going to cause distinct
problems. There is a large water main in front of our house
which will be a problem. I violently oppose any change.
Mr. Nelson: I hear these gentlemen talk about a buffer zone of 150 feet
and it is better than nothing but I see there is a buffer and
it is called an expressway. Why can't they keep these large
industrial complexes on the other side of expressway and keep
residential on east side of expressway. Livonia was a bed-
room community and then it got changed.
Mr. Ashner, 38605 Morningstar: I work on Northwestern Highway. Do you know
what it is like to pull out on Eight Mile off Morningstar
and come off I-275 and make left turn off Eight Mile?
They are not telling you we are going to be totally
ignored. We are not going to be able to get out of our
subdivision and we are going to have to go all the way to
Newburgh,
Shirley Koherr, 37742 Northwestern: My dad was on Planning Commission way
back when big issue was fence in front yard, I am very
proud of Livonia. I am against project.
Iv Robert Oliver, 37730 Dardenella: Mr, Tangora pointed out it would generate
millions of dollars in tax money. How many years would
it take? I do not like parking decks. I do not want
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to look out my back window and see tall buildings when I
16: see beautiful trees now.
James Voigt, 20410 Meadowview: In letter from traffic report did I hear clearly
that part of improvements would involve turn-arounds at end
of streets in subdivision?
Mr. Nagy: If you do not want cul-de-sacs, you do not have to have
them.
Mr, Morrow: If this goes through, it might be better to put in cul-de-sacs.
Mr. Voigt: They anticipate traffic coming into the subdivision?
Mr, Gary Clark, Assistant City Engineer: Whenever we have a street system that
dead ends, we have problems with garbage and snow removal
trucks so we recommend that cul-de-sacs be placed not because
of traffic but to accomodate garbage and snow removal vehicles,
etc,
Darlene Kilends: Exit on subdivision goes out on Seven Mile and would go into
our street. There would be trucks going in and out widening
roads. etc. This would be going on for ten years and I don't
think it is fair. On Seven Mile cars go by now at 50 miles
per hour,
Joe Waterman, 20336 Meadowview Lane: This is suppose to be buffer zone. One
hundred feet and then you see hi rise. I have lived in
Livonia over twenty years. I always had neighbors five
feet away. I finally bought here seven years ago. I
bought a $100,000.00 house. The value is going to go down
if they build that thing.
Alexander Stark, 37701 Northland: Property value of house I am mostly concerned
about, I had planned on staying a long time. My house
will never be worth what I paid for it. This is where
I want to live and raise kids.
Jean Begue, 20315 Hickory Lane: I am next to buffer zone. My house is on hill.
I hear that noise from I-275 morning, nite, 2:00 in the
morning, I counted trucks for five nights. 10:00 to 10:15
22 trucks passed by. A lot of noise. 10:40-10:45 35 trucks.
There is nothing to keep that noise away. They are going
to give me 100 feet and go on for ten years building and all
that noise, Nothing could stop it. I chose Livonia Hills
to live in and they told me I could live beautiful in
Livonia. I sure hope I can.
Kip Bonds, 38560 Morningstar: The gentlemen talked a lot about a precedent
being set. There is no precedent in this area. How tall
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is a twelve-story building? How can you hide that with a
tree? Look at Farmington Hills and what we have. It is
all residential. Well samples taken on survey but no one
tells us where water comes from. Crime is referenced to
Laurel Park. There is no Laurel Park. The Legacy Committee
is obviously promoting business. Going on for ten years.
Is there a plan for who pays and when it is going in?
Building looks nice but that would put the tallest build-
ing on highest point of land. Who has control of what
gets built here? The builder?
Mr. Morrow: He still gets site plan approval. The city will still have
control.
Mr. Evans, 19777 Fitzgerald: I listened to these gentlemen and we are all
impressed by big bucks and three-piece suits and we have
heard statistics on traffic. Has anyone done a study on
what this traffic is going to do to our. children? There
are children standing on corners waiting for school buses.
We have concerns about crime. Everyone on our street has
signed petitions against development.
Mr, Snyder, Blue Skies: I-275 is a large buffer that is there keeping the
commercial area away from the residential area. We don't
have the burden of traffic and noise, Right now it is
zoned rural urban farm,
Susan DeVries: I lived in Detroit thirty years, Last year I lost a husband,
got mugged in a parking lot and sold my house in Detroit to
move to suburbs. I found this beautiful house and my daughter
and I felt we have security and I have lived there two months
and all of this is going on and I am very unhappy.
Joseph Mysliwiec, 20464 Meadowview: All I know is when I bought my piece of
property about a year ago I bought into a residential area.
I would like it to stay a residential area.
Bruce Sleep, 18755 Blue Skies: I will keep this brief. Most corporate
headquarters are very wealthy and big. Most of them have
helicopters. Are they going to be flying helicopters into
this area?
Roger Beaune, 20558 Hickory Lane: Can't see one man buying up so much property
without knowing he was going to get it rezoned.
Gina Voigt, 20410 Meadowview: You are kidding yourself if you think this will
not bring in any crime. I was working in Southfield when
only Michigan Bell was there, There was a time when I
could go to Northland and not be afraid. I would hate
to see this happen to Livonia.
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Mr. Morrow: I want to compliment all of you here. It is your home. In
this country we have people who want to develop land. I
want to commend you all in how we handled this tonight.
Before we leave we have to take a vote.
Mr. Smith: I am for the change in zoning. It is not a popular position
and I understand that everyone in this room who lives in
that area cannot benefit from it. I first found out about
the change in zoning when all of you did. I tried to look
at it for all of Livonia. What benefits would it be for
all of Livonia. In 1975 the Planning Commission adopted
goals and policies in regard to freeway corridor. The
goal is to increase the development of office area. When
you look to change zoning, you have to ask have conditions
changed?
Mr. Morrow: Since I have been on Commission, this is the biggest thing that
has happened in Livonia, We have known about it for several
weeks and months but we haven't met that frequently. I am
convinced, in my own mind, that that particular area is not
going to go residential. If we go up and down expressways
in Livonia, we see a good deal of office and commercial on
96 and residential living in harmony together. One of my
concerns is that Livonia has been a low profile community
and I respect the petitioner's right to go eight, ten, twelve
stories, I think it will go commercial and PO but some of
the areas are too intense. Traffic is a big concern to me.
I certainly respect the parking garage because they will
keep more green space but I will have to vote against the
petition as I see it now.
Mr. Johnson: In conclusion, we are concerned about the feelings of the
residents. If you look at the development in the last
twenty years along Six Mile. We did not install I-275 and
we purchased the property based on the guidelines adopted
by the Planning Commission. We feel we have a quality
project. We have done a tremendous amount of work. We
urge you to approve it tonight.
Mr Soranno:• I am the newest member of the Planning Commission. Before
I was chairman of homeowners association. Sometimes you
have to take a step back and look at how the entire
community is going to be affected by this. My biggest
concern is traffic. Whatever the commission does, we
have to take everything into consideration.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this item and Mr. Morrow,
Chairman, declared the public hearing on Petition 85-11-1-35 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Duggan, seconded by Mr, Kluver and adopted,
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IL it was
#1-6-86 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January
7, 1986 on Petition 85-11-1-35, as amended, by Charles Tangora for
Victor International requesting to rezone property located on the east
side of I-96/I-275 Freeway between Seven and Eight Mile Roads in Section
6 from RUFC to C-4III; PO III; PO, the City Planning Commission does
hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 85-11-1-35 be
approved for the following reasons:
1) The proposed zoning is consistent with the Planning Commission's
I-275 Freeway corridor development policy.
2) The proposed zoning provides an opportunity to significantly
increase the tax base and the prospects for additional employment
in the community.
3) The proposed zoning would provide for uses that are consistent
with the general development pattern emerging along the I-275/2-96
Freeway corridor.
4) The proposed zoning would provide for uses that would help to
buffer existing single family residential development from the
freeway noise.
IIW 5) The proposed zoning would provide for development that would have
a positive effect on the local economy.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was given in accordance
with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Vyhnalek, Sobolewski, Duggan, Naidow, Smith,
NAYS: Hildebrandt, Soranno, Morrow
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, announced that the public hearing portion of the meeting was
concluded and the Commission would now proceed with items pending before it.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Sobolewski and adopted, it
was
#1-7-86 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 507th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings
held by the City Planning Commission on December 10, 1985 are approved.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:, Kluver, Soranno; Vyhnalek. Sobolewski, Duggan, Naidos, Smith, Morrow
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Hildebrandt
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ILMr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Vyhnalek, seconded by Mr. Kluver and unanimously
adopted it was
#1-8-86 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve
Petition 85-12-8-30P by Sam Grillo requesting approval of all
plans required in connection with a proposal to construct two
commercial buildings on the north side of Schoolcraft between
Inkster and Harrison in Section 24 subject to the following
conditions:
1) That the site plan for Commerce Center - Livonia dated 12/20/85
prepared by Kamp-Dicomo Associates is hereby approved and shall
be adhered to;
2) That the building elevations shown on a plan dated 12/20/85 pre-
pared by Kamp-Dicomo Associates is hereby approved and shall
be adhered to;
3) That the landscape plan dated 11/30/85 by Kamp-Dicomo Associates
is hereby approved and shall be adhered to with the added condition
of an underground sprinkler system for all lawn areas;
4) That the approved landscaping be installed on site prior to
building occupancy and thereafter maintained in a healthy condition.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Vyhnalek, seconded by Mr. Kluver and unanimously
adopted, it was
#1-9-86 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to
the City Council that Petition 85-9-8-20 by James Blain requesting
approval of all plans required in connection with a proposal to con-
struct a one-story office building on the south side of Six Mile
between Quakertown Lane and Haggerty in Section 18 be approved sub-
ject to the following conditions:
1) That the site plan for Livonia IBC as shown on sheet 1 dated
8/30/85 by James Blain and Robert Wakely Architects is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
2) That the building elevations for Livonia IBC as shown on Sheet
2 dated 8/30/85 by James Blain and Robert Wakely Architects
are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
3) That the landscape plan with underground sprinkler system as
shown on sheet 1 is hereby approved and shall be installed on
the site prior to building occupancy.
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1: Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mr. Smith and unanimously
adopted, it was
#1-10-86 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to
the City Council that Petition 85-11-8-29 by Roger Ajluni requesting
approval of all plans required by Section 9.02 of Zoning Ordinance
#543 in connection with a proposal to construct a three-story office/
medical building on the southeast corner of Farmington Road and
Curtis in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 10 be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1) That site plan AE 5063 Sheet C-2 prepared by Ventura and Associates
is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2) That building elevation plan AE 5063 sheets A-6 and A-7 prepared by
Ventura and Associates are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
3) That a detailed landscape plan for the revised site plan be submitted
for Planning Commission approval within 30 days.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
ly adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 508th Regular Meeting
and Public Hearings held by the City Planning Commission on
January 7, 1986 was adjourned at 11:40 p.m.
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