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b MINUTES OF THE 443rd REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY THE CITY
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4 On Tuesday, October 26, 1982, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia,
I held its 443rd Regular Meeting and Public Hearings in the Livonia City Hall, 33000
Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Daniel R. Andrew, Chairman, called the Regular Meeting and Public Hearings to
order at 8:20 p.m. , with approximately 40 interested people in the audience.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Judith Scurto Joseph J. Falk R. Lee Morrow
Sue Sobolewski Daniel R. Andrew Donald Vyhnalek
Herman Kluver Donna Naidow
MEMBERS ABSENT: Jerome Zimmer
Messrs. John J. Nagy, City Planning Director, H G Shane, Assistant City Planning
Director; and Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner IV, were also present.
Mr. Andrew then informed the audience that if a Petition on tonight's agenda involves
a rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the City Council,
who in turn will then hold their own Public Hearing and decide the question. If a
petition involves a waiver use request, and the petition is denied by the Planning
Commission, the petitioner then has ten days in which to appeal for relief. Otherwise,
the petition is terminated.
Mr. Falk, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 82-10-1-14 by
1[0Shell Oil Company requesting to rezone property located on the southwest
corner of Six Mile and Farmington Roads from C-1 (local business) to C-2
' (general business) in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 16.
Mr. Nagy: We have correspondence dated October 7, 1982 from Engineering, Fire Dept. ,
and a letter dated October 25th from Traffic, from Lt. Widmaier.
Mr. Andrew: Did you request an opinion from Wayne County?
Mr. Nagy: Yes, although we have no response.
Mr. Phillip Bucalo: Station Owner, 4140 Pear Tree Lane, Plymouth, MI was present.
I operate this station and two others in the City. I have been in business
for many years. I plan to remove the existing station and put in a completely
new service station and car wash.
Mr. Andrew: You realize that even with the rezoning accomplished, the use of the property
is nonconforming, as it cannot meet the minimum land area requirements for
gas stations.
Mr. Bucalo: Yes.
Mr. Andrew: How soon would you start if your petition is approved?
Mr. Bucalo: When the weather breaks, next spring.
Iii: Mr. Andrew: Your hours of operation? 12 hours, six days.
Mr. Bucalo: I have a presentation to make. I would like to pass this out. It will
answer some of the questions that were raised at the last meeting.
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Mr. Bucalo: If this is approved I will still be the lessee. If it is approved I
would like to put in additional bays at another location, Five and
Merriman. I have a rendering that will give you some idea as to the
general appearance of the completed project. I also have a plot plan.
Mr. Andrew: Has the Planning staff had •an opportunity to look at the plat plan?
Mr. Nagy: No, as it has not been presented to us or submitted with the petition.
Mr. Bucalo: Before starting this project I had to sit down and figure out what I
would gain by this venture. I have to put in a lot of money and if I
thought it would not work properly I would not invest the money. The car
was will have cloth type equipment, no mark or scratch car wash. The
building will be 52 feet long, smaller than the usual 100 ft. car washes.
The site will be limited in space. We will have no hand drying, vacuum-
ing or vending machines. The auto will be pulled through a 52 ft. building
by conveyor. It will take one minute. We will have a wash unit, white
wall clean unit, and a blower. I looked at three points: How can I
satisfy the customer? Will it work? What kind of operational problems
will I have? I don't feel that traffic will be a problem. I have
information I would like to present to you. On page 3 there are some
potential figures we anticipate. This is a medium sized car wash.
150 to 200 cars a day. It has increased the gas sales. I also have
some decibal readings. The latest information on the traffic flow in
that area is also included in my presentation. The figures according
to the 1979-80 Semcog survey. There are approximately 50,000 cars
a day going through there. I don't believe we will add to that count.
We won't be bringing customers from four miles away. We will be bringing
customers from the traffic flow. At Eight and Farmington they service
800-1,000 customers a day. That is somewhat larger in size. There are
no traffic problems there. There was concern over the ice forming from
the cars coming from the car wash. 95% of the water is removed. There
will be a drain installed at the exit of the building. The area will be
kept salted for car and foot traffic. As far as the noise, I have
the decibal readings of two car washes with identical equipment. I have
our present decibal reading at the station. The two car washes at Grand
River and Drake and Northville have a 75 decibal reading. Our car wash
has a decibal reading at 1:30 p.m. of 64-70 at three points. The residents
have a decibal reading of 50-55. The Mobil station has a reading of
64-70 and Ward Presb. 80 feet back has a 50-55 decibal reading. The
Belanger Equipment would have a decibal reading of 75. In heavy traffic
a decibel reading is as high as 90. With the proposed located exactly
to the rear of the Mobil and right of the bank and two walls 8 feet high
the sound will be channeled. We will have a curtain drawn across the
car wash. We do not expect stacking of cars. People will come back if they
see there is a line. You cannot compare a 52 foot car wash with a 120
foot car wash.
Mr. Andrew: Your decibel readings at the car washes at Northville and Grand River
were they with the blower on?
Mr. Bucalo: All the equipment was on.
Mr. Andrew: Are you removing any pumps?
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Mr. BucalO: The Six Mile pump will be removed.
Mrs. Scurto: Is it safe to say you will be open during a 12 hour period? What
are peak times:
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Mr. Bucalo: I don't know. Some say 9 a.m. to 10. Some say 10 to noon. Yet some
say lunch time and some say 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Our hours will be 7 a.m.
until 11 p.m. for car wash and 24 hours for gas.
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' Mrs. Scurto: With 50 cars an hour, there is bound to be a stack up. I feel this is
not the armor site for this type of operation. I can see a stack up.
Mr. Bucalo: We have employees assisting people to get help. That will speed up
things. We do not anticipate 50 cars an hour. That is exceeding the best
and biggest car wash. We will be a quality car wash. It will be fast.
Mr. Vyhnalek: What happens the first nice day in January? I have concern over a
stack up. If this is a going business a 10 car stack up space will not
suffice at all. There is bound to be a stack up on Farmington. I
foresee problems with cars turning left and people coming in and out of
your facility. That congests the whole intersection.
Mr. Bucalo: That is one reason we are open all day. People are not going to wait-
Mr. Vyhnalek: I see a problem going west on Six and wanting to turn into station and
cars exiting and entering at the same exit. I cannot see this type of
facility here.
Mr. Falk: I share the same concern. I have been driving that intersection for the
last 17 years. It is too congested. I cannot see taking down a perfectly
/ good building. This is the wrong location. The site does not have the
capacity. You have 5 and Newburgh. That may be a better corner.
Mr. Bucalo: It would be no busier than Eight and Farmington.
Mr. Kluver: At peak hours the numbers will accelerate. There are three curb cuts
there. This is an overdevelopment of the site. This type of addition
will only make that corner worse from a traffic standpoint.
Mr. Morrow: My concern is the noise on Sunday morning or Saturday night when residents
have their windows open.
Mr. Andrew: Anyone in the audience wishing to be heard on this petition?
Howard White: Are they going to be able to sell candy, pop?
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Mr. Andrew: Just about anything.
Mr. White: I presently have young people cut through my yard and climb the wall here.
This would worsen. I am opposed to it.
Carol Flowers: I am opposed to it. The traffic would be unbearable.
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Mr. Andrew: You are a super businessman in our City. Your locations are well kept
up and you are a very reputable businessman. My compliments to you for
your efforts in keeping up your stations. I feel traffic is a serious
problem here.
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1[ There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
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Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
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On- a motion duly made by Mr. Falk, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#10-187-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on October 26,
IL 1982 on Petition 82-10-1-14 as submitted by Shell Oil Company requesting to
rezone property located on the southwest corner of Six Mile and Farmington
Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 16, from C-1 to C-2, the City Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 82-10-1-14
be denied for the following reasons:
(1) The proposed change of zoning would not promote the orderly growth and
development of the subject property as the site does not have the capacity
to support the intended uses.
(2) The proposed change of zoning would be detrimental to the surrounding
and established uses of the area.
(3) The traffic that would be generated by the proposed change of zoning
and the uses permitted thereby would be hazardous to the area as the
adjoining thoroughfares of Six Mile and Farmington Roads are already
at near capacity and the additional traffic and additional points of
ingress and egress would only add to and overburden a very hazardous
condition.
(4) The proposed change of zoning cannot accommodate the use intended, the
existing use is nonconforming and would continue to be nonconforming even
if the rezoning sought by this petition was achieved because the subject
area is less than the minimum site area required for gasoline service
station purposes and it is the intent of the Zoning Ordinance, Section
11 18.22, to eliminate the nonconforming uses.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was given in
¢ accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543,
as amended.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Falk, Secretary announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-9-2-28 by
Mr. Van Ormer requesting waiver use approval to construct a self-serve gas
station on the northwest corner of Schoolcraft and Merriman Roads in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 2.
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter from the Division of Engineering and the Fire Marshall.
We have a letter from Traffic Dept. all having no objections.
Mr. M. VanOrmer: We have made some changes.
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Mr. Shane: There is additional landscaping added on Merriman between existing
driveway area. The dumpster will be enclosed with a simulated brick
on three sides and then a fence.
Mr. Andrew: Does the plan indicate the change?
Mr. Shane: Yes. The secondary building at the northwest portion of the site now
will have a storage room and two public restrooms. It is a brick building.
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Mr. Andrew: Are there exhaust fans?
Mr. VanOrmer: Yes.
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Mrs. Scurto: There will be bottle storage for returns back there.
Mr. VanOrmer: Yes.
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Mrs. Scurto: You are open 24 hours a day? There will be quite an accummulation of
bottles.
Mr. VanOrmer: The suppliers make more frequent pickups.
Mrs. Scurto: There is a person to drag that stuff back and run the station. What
is the distance from the station to the auxiliary building?
Mr. VanOrmer: 60 feet. When there is shift change the bottles will be taken back.
Mr. Shane: The station is brick with metal facing. It is yellow. It is not
internally illuminated.
Mr. Andrew: Is this a Gas and Go or Boron station?
Mr. VanOrmer: Gas and Go.
Mr. Andrew: What about air conditioning equipment on this building?
Mr. Shane: The refrigeration and air conditioning units have a metal face. They
will carry the material all around so it will be on boxlike screen.
Mr. Andre4a: There is total enclosure of air handling equipment?
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Mr. Shane: Yes.
Mr. Andrew: Do the customers walk into the refrigerator?
Mr. VanOrmer:
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by the operator.
Mr. Shane: There will be 2 signs on the building, 3 on the canopy and two free-
stand (existing) .
Mr. Morrow: I saw the Gas and Go at Grand River and Grand Boulevard. The
illuminated borders could almost be construed as a sign.
Mr. VanOrmer: The building is unlit, but the canopy is in the location you mentioned
is well lit because of all the robberies.
Mrs. Scurto: Is there anyway to attach the storage-restroom facility to the building?
I do not like that building back so far. I feel it is unsafe. Are the
restrooms kept locked?
Mr. VanOrmer: The restrooms will not be locked. We have limited space. The tank
trucks need room to swing around. We do not have the space.
Mr. Andrew: Anyone present wishing to be heard regarding this matter?
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
10 Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Vyhnalek, seconded by Mrs. Sobolewski, and adopted it was
#10-188-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition .82-9-2-28 as submitted by M. H. VanOrmer requesting waiver
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use approval to construct a self-serve gas station on the northwest corner
of Schoolcraft and Merriman Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 22, the
IL City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 82-9-2-28 be approved subject to the following conditions:
(1) That the site plan marked #2.0-82-4625-A dated 10/22/82 (revised) prepared
by Boron Oil Co. which is hereby approved shall be adhered to.
(2) That the landscaping shown on the approved site plan shall be installed
prior to the issuance of a certificate of occupancy and thereafter
' permanently maintained in a healthy condition.
(3) That the building elevation plans marked #4-B-139 dated 10/22/82 (revised)
and #4-B-139 dated 8/20/81 (revised) prepared by the Beaman Corp. which
are hereby approved shall be adhered to.
(4) That the canopy elevation plan dated 1/7/82 (revised) prepared by
Beaman Corporation which is hereby approved shall be adhered to:
(5) That the sign plans marked #7-30X90-GG, dated 9/29/82 (revised) and 4-384
dated 5/18/82 are hereby approved and shall be adhered to with the
exception that the sign proposed to be placed on the east (front) building
elevation shall be eliminated.
for the following reasons:
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(1) That the proposal complies with all of the specific and general waiver
use standards and requirements, as modified by the Zoning Board, contained
ILin Sections 11.03 and 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended;
(2) That the site has the capacity to support the proposed use;
(3) That the proposal represents a significant improvement to the site both
aesthetically and functionally;
(4) That the proposed use will be compatible to and in harmony with the
surrounding uses in the area;
(5) That the proposal represents the rebuilding of a use already existing on
the site.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543,
as amended.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Morrow, Naidow, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Falk, Andrew
NAYS: Scurto
ABSENT: Zimmer
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mrs. Scurto: For the record, I am opposed to this petition because I feel that the
safety of the patrons using a separate building for bathroom purposes
are unacceptable.
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Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-10-2-34 by Livonia Mall
requesting waiver use approval to operate a mechanical amusement area within
an existing building located within the Livonia Mall Shopping Center on the
Northwest corner of Seven Mile and Middlebelt Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 2.
Ms. Jean Hildebrandt: Livonia Mall is requesting a game room in our Community Room in
35159 Lancashire Corridor G. It is attached to the security office. There will
Livonia, MI be a rear window so that the security office is aware of any
problems. The corridor is far enough away from the tenants. The
entrance to Corridor G is near the parking lot. There are two
exits for emergency only. They will be kept locked at all times
from the outside.
Mr. Vyhnalek: How many feet from the entrance at the parking lot to the entrance of
the proposed game room?
Ms. Hildebrandt: About 75 feet.
Mr. Andrew: Is there a security person in the office at all times?
Ms. Hildebrandt: Presently 99%. With this operation there will be someone ther 100%
of the time.
Mr. Andre‘: Will you conform to hours of shopping mall or the movies?
Ms. Hildebrandt: It will close at 9 p.m. It will have the same hours as the mall.
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Mrs. Scurto: Any kiddie rides?
Ms. Hildebrandt: No.
Mrs. Scurto: Security officer is the only supervision.
Ms. Hildebrandt: There will be someone there at all times walking amongst the kids.
Mrs. Scurto: Will there be tokens used?
Ms. Hildebrandt: A person will be selling the tokens at the entrance.
Mrs. Scurto: Will the Security person sell the tokens?
Ms. Hildebrandt: No, another person.
Mrs. Scurto: What assurance can you give me that this corridor will not turn into an
urban alley?
Ms. Hildebrandt: We will not allow that in our shopping center. You have my assurance
because I am in charge and will not let that happen. Our administrative
offices are there and the mall security offices are there.
Mrs. Sobolewski: What about those exit doors being opened from the inside and kids
letting their friends in? Will the doors be locked.
Ms. Hildebrandt: We cannot lock them. Possibly an alarm system could be used.
$Mr. Vyhnalek: What about all the space in the center?
Ms. Hildebrandt: Actually there will not be that much after it is completed.
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M . Vyhnalek: What are the dimensions of the room?
Ms. Hildebrandt: 39 ft. wide by 65 ft.
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Mrs. Sobolewski: Are you planning to use those colors as shown on the rendering?
Ms. Hildebrandt: Yes.
Mr. Vyhnalek: Why are you proposing 30 machines instead of the 35 that are allowed?
Ms. Hildebrandt: To place equipment properly.
Mr. Morrow: Are you proposing food?
1gs. Hildebrandt: No. We have eating facilities in the mall.
Mr. Andrew: Anyone else present wishing to be heard on this matter?
pave Stellmach: Will the developers own and operate the facility?
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Ms. Hildebrandt: Yes.
Mr. Stellmach: Do they have experience in game rooms?
Ms. Hildebrandt: This is their first venture.
Mr. Stellmach: Is the Corridor G entrance a major entrance?
10 Ms. Hildebrandt: Is is used a great deal.
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1 Mr. Stellmach: You will have customers of the mall entrancing and exiting at the
same time as the video users?
Ms. Hildebrandt: Yes.
Mr. Stellmach: I am against it.
Mr. Andrew: Why?
Mr. Stellmach: The entrance at the Corridor is not practical. They should be
experienced in the operation of game rooms.
Mr. Falk: Will there be a raised platform for security observation. That tends to
give an overall picture of what is going on. It is easier to spot trouble
from a raised platform.
Ms. Hildebrandt: There will be a table area in front. It would be a good idea to
have a platform.
Mr. Andrew: How soon would you start?
Ms. Hildebrandt: After the holiday season.
f Mrs. Scurto:le The entrance will be kept locked when the room is not in use?
' Ms. Hildebrandt: Yes.
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There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
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On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mrs. Naidow, and adopted, it was
#10-189-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition 82-10-2-34 as submitted by Livonia Mall requesting waiver
use approval to operate a mechanical amusement area within an existing building
located within the Livonia Mall Shopping Center on the northwest corner of
Seven Mile and Middlebelt Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2, the City
Planning Commission does hereby table Petition 82-10-2-34 until November 9th
Study Meeting.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Morrow, Scurto, Naidow, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Falk, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver
ABSENT: Zimmer
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-9-2-31 by Charles H.
Lillie requesting waiver use approval to operate an automobile and light truck
repair business within an existing building located on the south side of
Plymouth Road between Cardwell and Deering in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 36.
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter from Engineering stating there are no engineering problems.
Chas. Lillie: I would like to be able to add services of oil changes, tune-ups and
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Mr. Andrew: What kind of trucks would you service?
Mr. Lillie: Vans and pick ups.
Mr. Andrew: Has additional landscape been added and reflected in the plan?
Mr. Bakewell: Yes, on the east elevation.
Mr. Lillie: I have no objections to adding this additional landscaping.
Mr. Morrow: Will there be trash containers on the southside.
Mr. Lillie: Inside only.
Mrs. Sobolewski: Where are tune-ups performed?
Mr. Lillie: I will be using the bay facing Plymouth for grease and oil changes and
the east bay for tune-ups as I have only one hoist in the building.
Mrs. Sobolewski: If you run out of space inside for trash storage would you tend to
start using the outside? How will you dispose of old oil?
Mr. Lillie: Old oil is stored in 55 gallon drums. The oil is hauled away for refining.
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Mrs. Sobolewski: No outside storage of any kind?
Mr. Lillie: Nothing. .
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Mr. Andrew: What about a sign tonight?
Mr. Lillie:
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I don't have plans as yet.
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Mr. Andrew: Anyone else wishing to speak regarding this matter?
There was no one else wishing to be heard regarding this item.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#10-190-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition 82-9-2-31 as submitted by Charles H. Lillie requesting waiver
use approval to operate an automobile and light truck repair business within
an existing building located on the south side of Plymouth Road between Cardwell
and Deering in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 36, the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 82-9-2-31 be approved
subject to the following conditions:
(1) that the Site Plan dated 10/26/82, which is hereby approved shall
be adhered to; and
(2) that the additional landscaping shown on the approved site plan
f shall be installed no later than May 1, 1983 and thereafter
permanently maintained in a healthy condition.
(3) Any changes in signage shall be reviewed by the Planning Commission.
for the following reasons:
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(1) The proposal complies with all of the specific and general
standards set forth in Section 11.03 and 19.06 of Zoning
Ordinance #543, as amended.
(2) The site has the capacity to support the proposed use.
(3) The proposed use is compatible to and in harmony with the surrounding
uses in the area.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above public hearing was given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of Zoning Ordinance 543,
as amended.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-9-2-30 by Major Magic's
All Star Pizza Revue, Inc. , requesting waiver use approval to locate a
restaurant within an existing building located on the northeast corner of
Plymouth Road and Middlebelt in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25.
Mr. Nagy: We have correspondence from Engineering, Fire Marshall, and Traffic.
' Tom Gistella, Attorney for Major Magic: We are operating presently in Clinton Township,
Madison Heights and Toledo, Ohio. We have the premiere operation. We have
a quality operation that is comparable to Disney Land on a smaller scale.
We are putting $450,000 in improvements, of which $300,000 is in animation
and $150,000 on the kitchen. We propose 45 video, 10 skeet ball machines,
10 kiddie rides. We have 12,000 sq. ft. which is 10 time better than Sears _
and 5 times more than the Mall. We have one video machine per 300 sq. ft.
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while Sears is proposing 1 for every 68 sq. ft. and Livonia Mall one for
IL every 80 sq. ft. We seat 400-500 people picnic style. We have letters from
the surrounding tenants: Odd Lot Trading, Apex Drugs, Paneling Unlimited,
Firestone, and Size Unlimited. We will have 100 employees. We employ youth
from the local area. Seventy percent of our business is food and thirty
percent is the games. We have a play area with swings and slides, sports
area, show area, and food area.
Mr. Andrew: Where is your location in Madison Heights?
Mr. Gistella: 12 and J.R.
Mr. Andrew: Are the swings free?
Mr. Gistella: No admission charge. They are free.
Mr. Andrew: Are the character robotic shows free?
Mr. Gistella: Yes. We have them every 8 minutes. It is a different show every time.
Mrs. Scurto: Your hours?
Mr. Gistella: We open at 11 a.m. until 11 p.m. during the week. On Friday and Saturday
we open at 11 a.m. until midnight.
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Mrs. Scurto: How long is the usual stay at the restaurant?
Mr. Gistella:1[0 One hour. We draw families. Our restaurant concept is geared for the
whole family. We are not appealing to the hot shot video player. We
don't have the latest hot video games. We have a salad bar. That is
in high demand. We have people who come in just for that.
Mr. Vyhnalek: The ordinance says 35 maximum.
Mr. Nagy: All coin operated machines are included, not just the video games.
That includes the skeet ball.
Mr. Andrew: You are going to the ZBA on November 9th.
Mr. Gistella: Yes. We chose Livonia because it is an excellent family community.
Mr. Andrew: Do you use U.S. currency.
Mr. Gistella; We use our own tokens. You can get something good to eat and yet have
entertainment.
Mr. Morrow: Are the tokens redeemable.
Mr. Gistella: Yes.
Mrs. Sobolewski: What other type of expense does your customer have beside food and
games.
Mr. Gistella: We have a gift, souvenier shop but there is no hustle of any kind. There
is no admission charge to watch the show.
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Mrs. Sobolewski: Next door is Duff's. This is a wall to wall situation. I was concerned
over the noise, tremor from your business, odors, lights, etc.
Mr. Gistella: We have machines turned down. We have a random draw contest. We do not
have a top score contest. The .patrons at Duff's will not hear any loud
Mts. Sobolewski: Did you have any response from Duff's?
Mr. Gistella: No. We plan to take a ten year lease.
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Mrs. Scurto: How old is your oldest operation?
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Mr. Gistella: 1 1/2 years in Clinton Township. We are a $2 million operation per
business. We hopeto go public in a year.
Mrs. Scurto: Are you affiliated with Atari?
Mr. Gistella: No. We go through 1,000 birthday hats in a week. We are busy at
dinner and lunch.
Mrs. Naidow: Do you get long lines?
Mr. Gistella: No, we have 500 seating capacity.
Mrs. Naidow: Duff's closes at 8 p.m. This would lighten up the area.
Mr. Andrew: Any comments from the audience?
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Sobolewski, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and unanimously
adopted, it was
4 #10-192-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
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1982 on Petition 82-9-2-30 as submitted by Major Magic's All Star Pizza
Revue, Inc. , requesting waiver use approval to locate a restaurant within
an existing building located on the northeast corner of Plymouth and
Middlebelt Roads in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25, the City Planning
commission does hereby table Petition 82-9-2-30 until November 9th Study Meeting.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mrs. Sobolewski, and unanimously adopted,
it was
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#14t-193-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
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1982 on Petition 82-10-2-33 by Major Magic's All Star Pizza Revue, Inc. ,
requesting waiver use approval to utilize a Class C Liquor License within
a restaurant proposed to be located within an existing building located on
the northeast corner of Plymouth and Middlebelt Roads in the Southwest 1/4
of Section 25, the City Planning Commission does hereby table Petition
82-10-2-33 until November 9th Study Meeting.
1[: Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Falk, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-9-2-29 by Sears, Roebuck
and Company requesting waiver use approval to operate a video game room
within an existing building located within the Livonia Mall Shopping Center
on the northwest corner of Seven Mile and Middlebelt Roads in the Southeast
1/4 of Section 2.
Mr. Nagy: We have correspondence from Engineering.
Mr. Bunyak, 25770 Farmington, Farmington Hills, Mi: The proposed game room will be
located within the Sears cafeteria. A wall will be placed within the
cafeteria and that area will be the game room facility. There will be
16 to 18 games. The only entrance will be from the Sears store. There
will be signs posted for "no loitering", "no gambling; "under 12 not
permitted." The noise level will be low. The development will be
completely under supervision.
Mr. Andrew: Will you have a full wall?
Mr. Stellmach: Yes.
Mr. Andrew: Do you have this in any other Sears?
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Mr. Stellmach: Sears in Troy, Pontiac Mall, Lakeside, Highland, Macomb, Twelve Oaks.
We have no problems where there is supervision.
Mrs. Scurto: Will tokens be used? Security person will run token sales.
Mr. Stellmach: There will be a token machine.
Mrs. Scurto: Do you have problems with older children bothering younger?
Mr. Stellmach: Where we have attendants there are no problems?
Mrs. Scurto: You have some with no attendants.
Mr. Stellmach: Yes.
Mr. Vyhnalek: What about the windows?
Mr. Stellmach: The shades can be lowered or raised.
Mr. Vyhnalek: I would think it would be obvious to keep them down. You are at ground
level.
Mr. Bunyak: It might keep light out of the cafeteria.
1[: Mr. Vyhnalek: How many square feet do you have?
Mr. Stellmach: 1100 sq. ft.
Mr. Andrew: If profits dip, will you pull out supervision?
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Mr. Bunyak: No, cannot do that because it is against the ordinance.
Mrs. Sobolewski: Will there be a doorway.
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Mr. Bunyak: Yes.
' Mrs. Sobolewski: What. about noise bothering the shoppers?
Mr. Bunyak: There will be no problem.
Mr. Stellmach: The machines can be turned down.
Mrs. Sobolewski: The floor will be carpeted?
Mr. Stellmach: Yes.
Mrs. Scurto: Will you have kiddie rides?
Mr. Stellmach: No.
There was no one else present wishing to be heard regarding this petition.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the public hearing on this item closed.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mrs. Naidow, and adopted, it was
#10-191-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition 82-9-2-29 by Sears, Roebuck and Company requesting waiver
IL use approval to operate a video game room within an existing building
located within the Livonia Mall Shopping Center on the northwest corner of
Seven Mile and Middlebelt Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2, the City
Planning Commission does hereby table Petition 82-9-2-29 until November 9th
study meeting.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Morrow, Scurto, Naidow, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Falk, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver
ABSENT: Zimmer
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mr. Morrow, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#10-194-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition 82-6-6-4 by the City Planning Commission to amend Section
11.03, Waiver Uses, of Zoning Ordinance #543, by adding to the C-2 District
Regulations additional controls regarding the use of SDM Licenses in
conjunction with gasoline service stations, the City Planning Commission does
hereby determine to withdraw Petition 82-6-6-4 and deems that no further action
by the City is necessary.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Naidow, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and adopted it was
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#10-195-82 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 442nd Regular Meeting held by the City
Planning Commission on October 12, 1982 be approved.
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A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Morrow, Scurto, Naidow, Vyhnalek, Falk, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Sobolewski
a ABSENT: Zimmer
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 82-10-8-25 by Larry S. Balauch
and Partners requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.47
of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended by Ordinance #1630 submitted in
connection with a proposal to construct a Roaring 20's restaurant on the
south side of Schoolcraft Road betweeiMerriman and Farmington Roads in
Section 27.
Mr. Bakewell: There is a parking barrier change. The landscaping has been changed,
a substantial increase in number of plants used. The areas on the west
and east have been beefed up with larger plant materials.
Mr. Andrew: Is there underground irrigation system?
Mr. Bakewell: Yes.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mr. Vyhnalek, and adopted, it was
#10-196-82 RESOLVED that,
pursuant to Section 18.47 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended by Ordinance #1630, the City
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition
82-10-8-25 by Larry S. Balauch & Partners requesting appvoal of all plans
required by Section 18.47 submitted in connection with a proposal to construct
a Roaring 20's Restaurant on the south side of Schoolcraft between Merriman
and Farmington Roads in Section 27, be approved subject to the following
conditions:
(1) that site plan #80119, Sheet 1, dated 7/28/82 prepared by Richard Postema
Associates is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
(2) that landscape plan #80119, sheets la and lb, dated 7/28/82 prepared by
Richard Postema Associates is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
(3) all approved landscaping shall be installed on site prior to building
occupancy and thereafter maintained in a healthy condition;
(4) that building elevations as shown on plan #80119, sheets 2 and 3 dated
10/22/82 by Genco Inc. are hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
(5) that the site lighting shall conform to the specifications as shown on
Plan #80119 Sheet ME-1 by Richard Postema Associates;
(6) that any signage proposed for the site shall be reviewed and approved
by the Planning Commission.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Morrow, Scurto, Naidow, Sobolewski, Vyhnalek, Falk
NAYS: Andrew
ABSENT: Zimmer
tr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and unanimously adopted it was
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#10-197-82 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a public hearing having been held on October 26,
1982 on Petition 82-9-1-13 and pursuant to a request by St. Mary's Hospital
1[0 dated October 22, 1982, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve
the withdrawal of Petition 82-9-1-13 by St. Mary Hospital to rezone property
located south of Six Mile Road between Fitzgerald Avenue and Newburgh Road
in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 17, from P.L. to P.S.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 443rd Regular Meeting and
Public Hearings held by the City Planning Commission on October 26, 1982 were adjourned
at 11:05 p.m.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
Jose' J. F.:% , -,retary
ATTEST: �
Daniel R. Andrew, Chairman
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