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MINUTES OF THE 370th REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
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On Tuesday, May 1, 1979, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia held
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its 370th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings at the Livonia City Hall, 33001 Five
Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Daniel R. Andrew, Chairman, called the Regular Meeting and Public Hearing to order
• at 8:05 p.m. , with approximately 30 interested people present.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Herman Kluver Joseph Falk Judith Scurto
Esther Freidrichs Jerome Zimmer R. Lee Morrow
Suzanne Wisler Daniel R. Andrew C. Russell Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
Messrs. John J. Nagy, City Planning Director; H G Shane, Assistant City Planning
Director; Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner IV; and Robert M. Feinberg, Assistant City
Attorney, were also present.
Mr. Andrew then informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves
a rezoning request, this Commission only makes a recommendation to the City Council,
who in turn will then hold their own Public Hearing and decide the question. If a
• petition involves a waiver use request, and the petition is denied by the Planning
Commission, the petitioner then has ten days in which to appeal for relief. Other-
wise the petition is terminated.
Mr. Falk, Secretary announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 79-3-1-10
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by Albert Weiss for Disabled Veterans of America requesting to rezone
property located on the east side of Newburgh Road, north of Seven Mile
Road, in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 5, from RUFC to C-2.
Mr. Andrew: Is there any correspondence on this matter?
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter from Engineering dated April 4, 1979 signed by Gary
Clark indicating there are no storm or sanitary sewers readily available
and Newburgh Road has not been dedicated to the full requirements in accord
with the Master Thoroughfare Plan. We also have a communication from the
law firm of Brashear, Conley and Tangora dated April 27, 1979 from Gerald
M. Conley to the City Planning Commission. Mr. Conley indicates he is
representing Albert Hajjar of 19753 Newburgh who is opposed to this
development.
Mr. Andrew: Is the petitioner or his representative present?
Albert Weiss, 23602 Stonehedge, Novi, Commander of the Livonia Chapter 114 of the
Disabled Veterans of America was present to represent the group.
Mr. Weiss: I would like to introduce my Past Commander, Walter Shapiro.
Walter Shapiro: Our organization is comprised of wartime veterans, widows and
19210 Osmus dependents. Any man or woman injured during time of war in the military
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is eligible for membership. Any nations associated with the
United States as their allies during wartime providing they are American
citizens are also eligible. We hope to put up a building. It will not
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have a bar in it. It will have a clubhouse. As for traffic there is
an awful lot of traffic as Newburgh is a main thoroughf 're. There will
be an awful lot of traffic that will be generated by Laurel Park and
Also the freeway. We intend to build a building that we will be proud
of and that you will be proud of. We will use it mainly for meetings
and as a place to service veterans and their dependents and survivors
It will help us to participate in more community activites. At the
present time when a veteran or his dependent needs any service they
have .to go into downtown Detroit. We hope to have a few days and nights
set aside to service these people. We would bring in professional service
officers. A few of our members are trained to initiate claims for veterans.
I hope you will give us your utmost consideration.
Mr. Andrew: Do you own the property at the present time?
Mr. Shapiro: We have a deposit on the property with a contingency. The sale is
contingent on our getting the property rezoned.
Mr. Andrew: Where are your members meeting presently?
Mr. Shapiro: We have no real address. The City of Livonia gives us a meeting hall
one night a month. We meet at the Senior Citizens' Building. It is
difficult for us to plan anything. Our own building would be a benefit
to our members and to the community.
Mr. Andrew: It has been our experience as we considered other petitions in this
area there is a poor percolation of the soil. Even if granted the
zoning and the site plan approval I question how you would get approval
from the Wayne County Health Department as to the perk requirement
necessary for a septic tank permit.
Mrs. Scurto: Will you rent your hall for social occasions such as weddings?
Mr. Shapiro: Yes.
Mrs. Scurto: The parties that would be renting would have to secure a 24 hour liquor
license.
Mr. Morrow: When you took the option on the property were you aware of the future
land use for that particular area?
Mr. Shapiro: I did not know there was a Master Plan.
Mr. Morrow: We have one for the complete City. That property and the surrounding
area is zoned for low density housing.
Mr. Falk: How many members in the DAV? •
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Mr. Shapiro: 1,000 in our chapter of which 500 reside in Livonia. There are probably
more that would join if we had a building in the City.
Mr. Falk: I recognize that your purpose and intent are good. As far as the
service part, the DAV will send out any form you wish in 24 hours.
' Mr. Shapiro: They are very complicated forms which people need help with. If people
had to write in for forms and complete them themselves it would take
years and years.
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Mr. Falk:I think it is a noble enterprise. I think you should have done some
more homework on the future land use and the soil perk.
Mr. Shapiro: I stopped in at the Engineering office and they did not give me a definite
answer. They told me about the future plans to widen Newburgh and that
there were no sewers planned for the future.
Mr. Falk: They did not bring to your attention that there was land down the
street that could not be used. What made you pick that particular spot?
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Mr. Shapiro: We looked at other property. This piece was a good price. It is a
good location to the roads around there.
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Mr. Falk: The seller did not tell you about the problems he had?
Mr. Shapiro: No.
Mrs. Friedrichs: There are other locations in Livonia.
Mr. Shapiro: They are less suitable for more money.
Mr. Falk: It was stated earlier that you had no intention of securing a liquor
license. How are you going to survive. '
Mr. Shapiro: There is a chapter in Redford. They have no liquor license there.
Mr. Falk: There was another spot where someone wanted to put up a hall but the
residents complained and it did not go through. They too had a dedication
to the community except the neighbors did not think it enhanced their
neighborhood.
Mr. Weiss: Mr. Shapiro mentioned 1,000 members. We do not all meet at one time.
We are our to help the disabled veterans primarily. We can't do it
. unless we have our own home. We can't have what we want by using the
Senior Citizens' Building. If we would like to have a fund raiser dinner
or bingo we need our own home. It is not going to be a rowdy thing and
we don't intend to make it a rowdy thing. We are quite an organization.
You can test it out by the meetings we have had at the Senior Citizen
center.
Wm. Olinki: We will be requesting a liquor license but it will be a club license.
20361 Beatrice The public is not invited.
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Livonia
Lowell McKeehan: I do not think we will be a hindrance to the community.
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Mr. Smith: I admire your group because it is Livonia citizens wanting to buy a
place for their own-club. Usually most clubs rent their building out
to meet their expenses. There are usually legalized bingos, Las Vegas
nites. I know most of the DAV members don't drink. The people to whom
you rent the building do drink. When they depart from your building they
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cause aproblem. We are in a land use area that requires houses. What
do we say to the next person that would like to build a party store. I
see the Knightsof Columbus in my own vicinity. We have had some serious
accidents. In this area I think it is going to open up the door to other
commercial development not in accord with the future plan. We welcome
the DAV to our City but this location for your purpose seems inadequate.
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Mr. Zimmer: Because this property will not perk does that mean a commercial building
would not be able to go here.
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Mr. Nagy: I am not sure of the perk on this particular piece of property.
Other adjoining pieces have had problems.
Mr. Zimmer: Are their other alternatives to a "no perk" situation?
Mr. Nagy: Tear the soil out and create a new soil field which would be quite
expensive.
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C.A.Smith: I am speaking fore group that has served their Country. They are
46363 Nine Mile people with honor. They deserve Honor.
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John Stymelski: If I understand correctly there are three factors that make this
petition a problem. First, as a rental facility;_ secondly, a liquor
license for a non-profit organization; and thirdly, the feeling of
the neighborhood ( a reluctance where liquor would be) .
Mr. Morrow: I can only speak for myself. My concerns do not run along the lines
of the liquor. It is a commercial development in a low density
residential area. I do not think there is any group I hold in higher
esteem than the DAV. As one member I cannot support this petition
strictly from a planning standpoint. I hope in the future they can
find a spot in Livonia where we can wholeheartedly support their endeavor.
h. Mr. Weiss:100 We did try to secure other locations. We went to the City and asked
about the schools that were going to go out. We asked about Pierson
School and we wanted to be notified when it was put up for sale. It
was not brought up again. The Pierson School was sold and no one even
got in touch with us.
Mrs. Wisler: The schools are owned by the Board of Education. Perhaps you notified
• the wrong party. They publish in the newspaper that they are accepting
bids. It is up to interested parties to contact the appropriate person with
whatever is the appropriate bid. We don't take part in their selling.
Perhaps you should go see them again. They are quite precise and have
specific rules.
Mr. Shapiro: What paper?
Mrs. Wisler: As far as I know the Livonia Observer.
Mr. Shapiro: What about Brose Electric on the corner? Wasn't that once RUF?
Mr. Andrew: The' entire City at one point was zoned agricultural. The City had a
Master Plan for the northwest quadrant for 15 years. We did know
• there would be a commercial development at Six and Newburgh since 1964,
but Seven and Newburgh is a low density residential area that will not
change in the future There are other RUF areas that will change in
other areas. There are three essential points for the DAV to consider.
None of us are opposed to the DAV in this City. Our problem is we are
looking at a specific piece of land that is not suited for this development
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because: (1) It is contrary to the Master Land Use Plan; (2) This is spot
zoning which is contrary to the law; (3) This would certainly serve to
encourage additional commercial development along Newburgh Road.
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Mr. Falk: As far as Brose Electric, we felt that on that corner Brose would
look better than a gas station. We realized that no one would want to
develop a home site on that corner where Brose now stands. The intrusion
there is the beginning of the end. We are trying to give the DAV direction.
There are other locations you can go to. You might check with Dan
Gilmartin or Mr. Nagy. They might be able to recommend other locations.
My position has not changed in 9years on this particular area.
Mr. Stymelski When they come back again they will be better equipped.
Mr. McKeehan: We liked this location because we would have access from all expressways.
We are a service to the community. We would like to stay in Livonia
and we would like to find a location soon for our memorial home.
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Mr. Andrew: Are there any further comments?
There was no one else wishing to be heard regarding this item. Mr: Andrew, Chairman
declared the public hearing on Petition 79-3-1-10 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer and seconded by Mr. Morrow, it was
#5-54-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1, 1979
on Petition 79-3-1-10 as submitted by Albert Weiss for Disabled Veterans
of America, requesting to rezone property located on the east side of Newburgh
• Road, north of Seven Mile Road, in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 5, from RUFC
• to C-2, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council
that Petition 79-3-1-10 be denied for the following reasons:
IL (1) The proposal would constitute spot zoning and allow uses which are
inappropriate for the area.
(2) The proposed zoning would allow uses which would be inconsistent
with the Future Land Use Plan recommendation of low density residential.
(3) The proposed zoning would be incompatible with the surrounding residential
neighborhood.
(4) A change in zoning would serve to invite similar zoning requests which
would result in strip commercial development contrary to good principals
of planning and the goals and objectives of the Planning Commission.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer, under date of 4/12/79,
and a notice of such hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake
& Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers Power
Company and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
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A roll call vote on the foregoing motion resulted in the following:
AYES: Zimmer, Scurto, Falk, Morrow, Wisler, Andrew
NAYS: Friedrichs, Kluver, Smith
ABSENT: None
44r. Andrew: We are also concerned about the lack of sanitary and storm sewers in
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the area. The petition will be sent 'to the City Council and they will
make the final decision.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
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,Mrs. Scurto: I believe you should secure from Planning A Future Land Use Map
that will aid you in your search.
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Mr. Nagy: I have one available now.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 79-4-1-11 by Hugh C. Leavell
requesting to rezone property located on the south side of Seven Mile Road,
between Mayfield and Loveland in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 10, from P.L.
to P.S. ,
Mr. Andrew: Is there any correspondence on this matter?
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter from the En •
Engineering Division stating that the ,
legal description is satisfactory and we have a letter from the Bureau
of Inspection regarding the change of use from Frank Kerby.
Mr. Andrew: Assuming there is a successful rezoning, will the petitioner have to
come back before this Commission for site plan approval?
Mr. Nagy: A site plan will be required. This is a vicinity control area.
Mr. Andrew: Is the petitioner present? Was he notified?
Mr. Nagy: He was notified. I cannot explain his absence.
Michael Barry: What is going to happen to our neighborhood at this point? Basically,
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18960 Mayfield we are on a dirt road because of the extension of Mayfield. How much
is going to be paved and how many trees are we going to lose?
iMr. Andrew: I think if done properly it could be very aesthetic. We are not equipped
to answer any questions until petitioner is present.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Kluver, seconded by Mrs. Wisler, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#5-55-79 RESOLVED that; pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1, 1979
on Petition 79-4-1-11 as submitted by Hugh C. Leavell -requesting to rezone
property located on the south side of Seven Mile Road, between Mayfield and
Loveland in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 10, from P.L. to P.S. , the City
Planning Commission does hereby determine to table Petition 79-4-1-11.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Andrew: We will notify you Mr. Barry when we have a study meeting set up.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 79-4-2-9 by Disco Daddy, Ltd.
requesting a waiver of use approval to operate a disco for teens within an
existing building located on the northeast corner of Plymouth Road and Middle-
belt Road, in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25.
Mr. Andrew: Is there any correspondence on this matter?
Mr. Nagy:IL We have a letter from Division of Engineering dated April 6, 1979 from
Gary Clark. There is a letter from Harold Zucker 11727 Haller and a
letter dated May 1, 1979 from Ann Cheaney.
Mrs. Wisler: I will abstain from discussing and voting on this.
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David I. Goldstein: I would like to introduce Mr. David Stefanski who is with the
2121 Buena Vista Disco Daddy, Ltd.
Ann Arbor
l Mr. Stefanski: We would like to operate a disco for 13 to 18 year old teens in the
evenings and on Saturday afternoon. There will be chaperones and
no alcohol. Our hours will be Friday and Saturday from 7 p.m. to
midnight. On Saturday afternnod we will have a pre-teen session for
12 and under. This session will be from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. We will
have 8 to 12 supervisors. We are closed during the week. Maybe in
the summer we would be open on Thursday nights. We have had an
operation in Riverview since December 15, 1978. We also have two
in Toledo which is where the Disco Daddy, Ltd. started. ,
Mr. Falk: In any of the operations you have or had did you experience any
difficulty with the law?
Mr. Goldstein: We had one noise incident. One of the tenants complained of the
noise but it was renewal of lease time and it was really a land-
lord tenant problem.
Mr. Stefanski: The Chief of Police will verify our statements.
Mr. Andrew: We have inquired from the Riverview Police but we have not heard
• from them.
Mrs. Scurto: Do you have any pinball games in your operation?
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Mr. Stefanski: We have arcade games, the video games and we do have some pinball
j games. It is not a necessary part of our operation. It creates
a diversion for the kids. We have had no problems with parents
complaining.
Mr. Zimmer: Are parents permitted?
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Mr. Stefanski: Parents are permitted but not welcomed by their kids. No fee is
charged for parents. On Saturday afternoons we do have many mothers.
Mr. Falk: Are you planning on serving food?
Mr. Stefanski: There will be no prepared food. We will have pop, popcorn, and chips.
Mr. Falk: How•many pinball machines will you have in your operation?
Mr. Stefanski: Six to fourteen pinball machines which will be 25 games.
Mr. Falk: Can the pre-teens play the games on Saturday afternoons? •
Mr. Stefanski: We don't encourage them to play.
Mr. Falk: Then take them out. I don't like to introduce games of chance to our
children.
4Mr. Stefanski: They are not games of chance. We don't give prizes. The kids just get
a score.
Mr. Andrew: They don't win a free game?
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Mr. Stefanski: No. We could use just the video games if you would like.
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Why are you using the back part of the building?
IMr. Stefanski: Walter Samuelson of New York is the owner and he stated out of the
52,000 sq. feet available, he would lease us only the back 15,000
square feet. Cunningham's is to the right and Hit or Miss is on the
other side.
• Mrs. Scurto: Will Cunningham's be affected?
Mr. Stefanski: We put 8 inches of insulation into the walls. No one could hear
anything from the outside. ,
Mr. Goldstein: Mr. Samuelson has informed the other tenants of our potential use
of the building.
Mr. Morrow: Are pinballs in conflict with the City ordinance?
Mr. Nagy: The ordinance allows 10% of the area or 10 machines whichever is lesser.
William Logie: I am against it. The kids will go all over our neighborhood when
11888 Haller they congregate like that. We have enough vandalism as it is now.
• Mr. Andrew: There are security people that would keep the kids quiet and in the
building, and there will be security people outside also.
Mr. Logie: It is still going to be a problem. The noise that we get from the
li Miniature Golf place is enough. We will hear that loud noise from
this place too.
Mr. Zimmer: Do you permit children to leave and come back?
Mr. Goldstein: There is an admission charge. They must pay again if they leave.
There will be at least two security guards outside the building.
There will be police inside and outside and to prevent congregation
or doing something in their car that we do not allow inside.
Mrs. Scurto: Will the kids use the rear entrance?
Mr. Goldstein: The entrance will be in front. There will be an emergency fire exit
in the back only.
Mr. Zimmer: Do we have an ordinance on sound production?
Mr. Nagy: In the manufacturing areas.
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Mr. Feinberg: We have a general nuisance ordinance which includes loud phonographs
between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m.
Mr. Goldstein: We are enclosed within this building. We have only one exterior wall.
We have a buffer on three sides. We will also,have partitions and
insulation.
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170, Mrs. Friedrichs: The parking will be in the front. There will be no cars allowed
in the back of the building.
Mr. Stefanski: We get very few cars. There are only 10 to 12% that are in that
category. Most of the kids are dropped off bytheir
PP parents. The
little parking will be out front.
Mrs. Friedrichs: Would your outside security men make it a point to discourage quick
take offs?
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Mr. Stenfanski: We will have off-duty policemen and they will do everything possible
to see that there are no problems.
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Mrs. Friedrichs: During the summer it will be air conditioned?
Mr. Stefanski: Yes. With the insulation in the walls 10 feet from the building
you would not hear any noise.
Mrs. Friedrichs; The miniature golf course has the music piped outside. Of course
this music would not be piped outside.
Mr. Stefanski: I would also like to add that our security people drive around outside
in the winter and are on foot in the summer.
• Joseph Sergei: I own property in the area. I own and operate the nursing home on
8992 Oporto Plymouth Road. I object to these people bringing in one of these
disco joints to contaminate our neighborhood. My nursing home is
one block away. The kids in the area are terrible to the old people.
4 I have a fenced area and they still harrass and bother us. They are
dirty from the top to the bottom. You will encourage these kids to
congregate and they will start all kinds of trouble.
Mrs. Friedrichs: Perhaps what some of these kids need is an outlet that would prove to
be a healthy outlet, a place to go for strenuous physical activites.
Perhaps the disco would help them to use up some of their energy in a
controlled situation.
Mr. Sergei: You are not going to control these children.
Mrs. Friedrichs: Many do not have planned activities and perhaps this might prove
to be a kind of place for children to spend their money and use
some. of their energy.
Mr. Sergei: We have to call the police two to three times a week. What will we have
to do with 500 of them?
Mr. Andrew: We appreciate your comments.
Mr. Zimmer: How many do you let in?
Mr. Goldstein: The building will have to be inspected. The Fire Marshall will set
a maximum number. We think we might be able to fit 700 kids in.
We have a 100% turnout in Riverview. The kids line up to get in.
/Mr. Zimmer: What do you do when someone has alcohol on them?
Mr. Goldstein: We confiscate it.
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ILMr. Stefanski: We physically search kids. If they do not want to do that we ask
them to leave. At the beginning we found empty bottles in the bath-
rooms so we initiated body search.
Mr. Goldstein: If anyone is intoxicated we do not let them in.t
Mr. Stefanski: Before some kids come in they will drink and will be as sober as a
judge. As soon as they start dancing we notice it, we call their
parents. If the parents refuse to come, we call the police. We take
• their name and address and memorize their faces. They are barred for
30 days. If they are caught the second time, they are barred forever.
Mr. Goldstein: The kids are pretty good. They don't want to see anything happen ,
to their disco. The pressure the kids put on the troublemakers seems
to do the job.
Mrs. Scurto: What about Sunday? -
Mr. Stefanski: We have fund raisers and other events that public agencies would like.
Mrs. Scurto: You are opened on Friday and Saturday.
Mr. Stefanski: Yes, and we hope Thursday evenings in the summer.
Mr. Goldstein: Red Cross, March of Dimes, etc. will have a fund raiser on Sunday
occassionally.
Florence Liddle: What about the traffic problem? With the race track traffic, shopping
12000 Haller center traffic and the miniature golf traffic this will only create
more problems.
Mr. Andrew: Wh have asked for a report from the Traffic Department. They did
not respoind as yet.
Francis Colwell: With the Cunningham's next door these kids could buy liquor.
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Bonnie Garrison: The Youth Commission approves of the disco provided they have good
20135 Rensellor supervision. Listening to these gentlemen I thinly it will have
good supervision. This is a good start and will give the kids some-
thing to do.
Mr. Andrew: Could we have a resolution from the Youth Commission to that effect?
Ms. Garrison: Yes. As far as the alcohol being a problem, they kind of curtail
themselves. Cunningham's will be checking on I.D.
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Mrs. Friedrichs: What is the approximate number of people that attend the dances at
Ford Field?
Ms. Garrison: About 300 to 500 junior high kids. About 700-800 kids attend a rock
100 concert.
Mrs. Friedrichs: Do you have any major problems?
Ms. Garrison: No.
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`; Mrs. Friedrichs: As far as the traffic goes, when the Great Scott was operating there
4 was quite a bit of traffic from shoppers. This disco would of course
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have a little more concentrated traffic. I would like to offer an
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approving resolution but exempting the approval of the sign with
the request that they come back at a later time for sign plan approval.
Mrs. Scurto: I will second an approving motion.
Mr. Goldstein: As .far as the sign we need approval from the owner of the building.
Mr. Zimmer: Because we have not heard from the City of Riverview and other people
I would like to offer a tabling motion.
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On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer,and seconded by Mr. Morrow, it was
RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1,
1979 on Petition 79-4-2-9 as submitted by Disco Daddy, Ltd. requesting
waiver use approval to operate a disco without alcohol, for teens within
an existing building located on the north side of Plymouth Road between
Middlebelt Road and Haller in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25, the City
Planning Commission does hereby determine to table Petition 79-4-2-9.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Zimmer, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver, Friedrichs, Smith, Scurto, Falk
ABSTAIN: Wisler.
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ABSENT: None
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the resolution is not adopted because of lack of support.
Mrs. Scurto: I am not interested in Riverview's opinion because we are dealing with
a different community and different rules and regulations. It would
• not be pertinent to Livonia.
Mr. Zimmer: I am interested in a report from the Traffic Commission. I am also
concerned about the noise. We associate kids with loud music. I think
we should have a condition about the noise level, some clearly understood
engineering statement about decibels around the perimeter of the building
10 feet from the building below 85 or something like that. I think
that something should be added about sound proofing.
Mr. Morrow: I am not against the petition. I feel we need some input from other
sources before I cast my vote in favor of this.
Mrs. Friedrichs: ' I am willing to go along with a tabling motion if the majority of the
Commission sees fit. If it is a real concern to;make the parking lot
better controlled, I will go along with that.
Mr. Andrew: Are you willing to rescind your motion to approve.
Mrs. Friedrichs: Yes, in view of the question of Mr. Zimmer and Mr. Morrow regarding
tithe traffic problem. We urge the Traffic Department and Fire Dept.
to give us a report as soon as possible. We could hear this again
at the first meeting after such reports are received.
Mrs. Scurto: That is fine with me.
Mr. Smith: I am concerned with the noise level on the inside of the building.
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On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mr. Morrow, it was
Ele4 #5-56-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1,
1979 on Petition 79-4-2-9 as submitted by Disco Daddy, Ltd. requesting
waiver use approval to operate a disco without alcohol, for teens within
an existing building located on the north side of Plymouth Road between
Middlebelt Road and Haller in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25, the City
Planning Commission does hereby determine to table Petition 79-4-2-9.
A roll call vote on. the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
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AYES: Friedrichs, Smith, Zimmer, Scurtp, Falk, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver
ABSTAIN: Wisler ,
ABSENT: None
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Andrew: We hopeto have you attend a study session next Tuesday evening.
The interested parties are also welcomed.
Mr. Falk announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 79-4-2-10 by Michael L.
Priest requesting waiver use approval to fill in a portion of the Tarabusi
Creek located on the west side of Merriman Road between Six'and Seven Mile
Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 10.
Mr. Nagy: We have a letter dated April 6, 1979 from Gary Clark, Division of
Engineering.
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;Michael Priest: From the time of the last meeting between then and now we have
made a revised propsal to Mr. Clark in an effort to come up with
some compensating excavating. Mr. Clark has not had time to review
it. We would like to do some excavating and shaping of the flood
plain. We have planned a gradual sweep. It would improve the hydraulics
in the area. We plan to clear out the dead trees. We have a foot and
a half of water standing in the rear of three lots.
Dave Leslie: The water came up to the cul-de-sac this year.; I just wonder if I
31103 Hillbrook will get anymore?
Mr. Andrew: We will take no action until we find out if this would create any more
problems for anyone.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Wisler and seconded by Mrs. Friedrichs, it was
#5-57-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1, 1979
on Petition 79-4-2-10 as submitted by Michael L. Priest requesting waiver
use approval to fill in a portion of the Tarabusi Creek located 'on the west
side of Merriman Road between Six and Seven Mile Roads in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 10, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend that the petition
be tabled until May 8, 1979 providing a letter from the Engineering Dept. is
received.
A, roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Friedrichs, Smith, Kluver, Scurto, Falk, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Zimmer
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
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2 ' Mr. Andrew; Chairman declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
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On a motion duly made by Mr. Falk and Seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and unanimously adopted,
i it was
#5-59-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on May 1, 1979
on Petition 79-4-6-1 as submitted by the City Planning Commission to amend
Section 18.50 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia,
by revising the regulations controlling the erection of signs within the
City, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council
that Petition 79-4-6-1 be approved for the following reasons:
(1) This proposed amendment is an essential tool that will allow more
flexibility in the placement and nature of signs while at the same
time preserving and protecting the City's interest.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer, under date of 4/12/79, and
notice of such hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake
and Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers Power
Company and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
Mr. Andrew, Chairman declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Falk, and unanimously adopted, it was
11 #5-59-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to the provisions of Act 285 of the Public Acts of
Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission of the City of
Livonia, having duly held a Public Hearing on May 1, 1979 for the purpose
of amending Part I of the Master Plan of the city of Livonia, the Master
Thoroughfare Plan, LI 19241 PA 100, the same is hereby amended by changing
the designation of Levan Road right-of-way located between Plymouth and
Schoolcraft Roads in Section 29, from 120' to 86' , and by deleting the
designation of a grade separation where Levan Road crosses the C & 0
Railway right-of0way in Section 29, for the following reasons:
(1) The construction of a grade separation at this location is impractical
and not needed.
(2) Levan Road functions as a collector street serving existing or
proposed adjacent industrial uses.
(3) Adequate major thoroughfares exist to the east and west.
(4) The Engineering Division recommends that Levan Road remain at its
current width and that no grade separation be considered.
AND, having given proper notice of such hearing as required by Act 285
of the Public Acts of Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning
Commission does hereby adopt said amendment as part of the Master
Thoroughfare Plan of the City of Livonia which is incorporated herein
IL by reference, the same having been adopted by resolution of the City
Planning Commission with all amendments thereto, and further that this
amendment shall be filed with the City Council, City Clerk and the City
Planning Commission and a certified copy shall also be forwarded to the
Register of Deeds for the County of Wayne for recording.
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10Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is
4 adopted.
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On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto and seconded by Mr. Zimmer, it was
#5-60-79 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on July 18,
1978 on Petition 78-6-7-4 as submitted by the City Planning Commission to
amend Patt V of the Master Plan of the City of Livonia, the Master School
and Park Plan, Li 20378, PA 426, the same is hereby amended so as to delete
property located south of Margareta Drive between Newburgh Road and the I-275
Freeway in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 7; subject property being legally
described as follows:
The South 350 feet of the East 1,000 feet of the following described parcel:
Land situated in the City of Livonia, Wayne County, Michigan, beginning at a
point in the North-South 1/4 line of Section 7, measured South 0° 03' 00" West,
a distance of 1,346 feet from the North 1/4 corner of Section 7, T.1S. ,R.9E. ,
City of Livonia, Wayne County, Michigan, said point of beginning also being the
Southwest corner of Melody Manor Subdivision, as recorded in Liber 72 on page 43
of Wayne County Records; thence North 89° 53' 30" East along the South line of
said Melody Manor Subdivision a distance of 1169.45 feet; thence South 0° 06' 30"
East a distance of 150 feet; thence North 89° 53' 30" East, a distance of
149.65 feet to a point in the East line of West one-half of Northeast 1/4 of
said Section 7; thence South 0° 01' 30" West along the East line of West 1/2
of Northeast 1/4 of said Section 7, a distance of 450 feet, thence South 89°
53' 30" West along a line which is 660 feet North of and parallel to East and
West 1/4, a distance of 1319.71 feet to a point in the North/South 1/4 line
of said Section 7; thence North 0° 03' 00" East along the north/south 1/4 of
' said Section 7 a distance of 600 feet to the point of beginning.
for the following reasons:
(1) The proposed park site of the acreage and configuration proposed is no
longer needed for park and recreation purposes.
(2) The Parks and Recreation Commission, in a letter dated 3/28/79, states
that they have no plans to purchase the proposed park site at the
present time.
(3) The needed open space for the area is being provided in a more usable
relationship in connection with a development proposal now pending
before the City of Livonia.
AND, having given proper notice of such hearing as required by Act 285 of the
Public Acts of Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission does
hereby adopt said amendment as part of the Master School and Park Plan of the
City of Livonia which is incorporated herein be referenced, the same having been
adopted by resolution of the City Planning Commission with all amendments theretc
and further, that this amendment shall be filed with the City Council, the
City Clerk and the City Planning Commission and a certified copy shall also be
forwarded to the Register of Deeds for the County of Wayne for recording.
for the following reasons:
(l) The proposed park site of the acreage and configurationproposed is
no longer needed for park and recreation purposes.
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1 (2) The Parks and Recreation Commission, in a letter dated 3/28/79 states
that they have no plans to purchase the proposed park site at the
present time.
(3) The needed open space for the area is being provided in a more usable
relationship in connection with a development proposal now pending
before the City of Livonia.
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ILA roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Friedrichs, Smith, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Wisler
NAYS: Falk, Andrew
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
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On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and adopted, it was
#5-61-79 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 370th Regular Meeting and Public Hearings ,
held by the City Planning Commission on April 10, 1979, be approved.
AYES: Kluver, Smith, Zimmer, Scurto, Falk, Wisler, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Friedrichs, Morrow
ABSENT: None
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Morrow, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and adopted, it was
#5-62-79 RESOLVED that, the minutes of the 328th Special Meeting held by the City
Planning Commission on April 24, 1979, be approved.
ILI AYES: Kluver, Smith, Zimmer, Falk, Morrow, Wisler, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Friedrichs, Scurto
ABSENT: None
Mr. Andrew, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 371st Regular Meeting
and Public Hearings held by the City Planning Commission on May 1, 1979 were adjourned
at 10:35 p.m.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
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Daniel R. A drew, Chairman �/