HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1978-01-17 6605
MINUTES OF THE 347th REGULAR MEETING
AND PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY THE CITY
PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
LIVONIA
IL On Tuesday, January 17, 1978, the Livonia City Planning Commission held its 347th
Regular Meeting and Public Hearings at the Livonia City Hall, 33001 Five Mile Road,
Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Daniel R. Andrew, Chairman, called the Regular Meeting and Public Hearings to
order at 8:15 p.m. , with approximately 20 interested citizens in the audience.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Daniel R. Andrew Esther Friedrichs Judith Scurto
Robert L. Morrow Jerome Zimmer Herman Kluver
William DuBose* (arrived 8:25 p.m.)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Joseph J. Falk Suzanne T. Wisler
Messrs. H G Shane, Assistant City Planning Director; Ralph H. Bakewell, Planner IV;
and Robert M. Feinberg, Assistant City Attorney, were also present.
Mr. Andrew then informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves
a question of rezoning, the Planning Commission makes a recommendation to the City
Council, who in turn willhold their own Public Hearing and then decide the question.
If the petition involves a Waiver Use request, and the petition is denied by the
Planning Commission, the petitioner then has ten days in which to appeal for relief.
Otherwise, the petition is terminated. There are no Public Hearings before the City
Council on Preliminary Plat approvals. This Commission will hold the only Public
IL Hearings on Preliminary Plat approvals, and forward recommendation to the City
Council, who will then either accept or reject the Plat.
Mr. Andrew then announced that in the absence of the Secretary, Mr. Joseph Falk,
Mrs. Judith Scurto will be Acting Secretary for tonight's meeting.
Mrs. Scurto announced the first item on the agenda is Petition 77-11-1-42 by Jack
W. Belkin to rezone property located on the north side of the I-96
Expressway between Stark Road and Stamford in the Southeast 1/4
of Section 21, from R-2 to P.S.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Shane, any correspondence in the file regarding this petition?
Mr. Shane: Yes, we have a letter from our Engineering Division indicating no
problems connected with this proposal.
Mr. Andrew: Is the petitioner or his representative here?
Robert Serota: Yes, I am here to represent the petitioner.
16910 W. Ten
Mi. Rd.
Southfield
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Serota, would you please explain to the audience the reason for
this request for a change in zoning?
t'l Mr. Serota: We feel that this request is a good transitional use for this property
on the Schoolcraft service drive. We don't feel it is amenable for
residential property. We do have a group of professional people who
are interested in locating in this site. We feel that that would be
good usage.
Mr. Andrew: Do you know how long this petitioner has owned this property?
Mr. Serota: Four or five years now. With the development of the freeway, he
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did not feel it wise to develop this as residential.
4 Mr. Andrew: Any questions or comments from the Commission?
Mr. Zimmer: Does the petitioner own any other property in the area?
Mr. Serota: No, he does not.
Mr. Andrew: Any other questions from the Commission? Is there anyone in the audience
wishing to speak either for or against this petition?
There was no one else present wishing to speak further on the subject, Mr. Andrew
declared the Public Hearing on Petition 77-11-1-42 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Friedrichs, seconded by Mr. Morrow, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#1-1-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 17,
1978 on Petition 77-11-1-42 as submitted by Jack W. Belkin to rezone property
located on the north side of the I-96 Expressway between Stark Road and
Stamford in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 21 from R-2 to P.S., the City
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition
77-11-1-42 be approved forthe following reasons:
li; (1) The proposed change of zoning is consistent with the Future Land Use
Plan of the City of Livonia as adopted by the Planning Commission.
(2) The proposed change of zoning is consistent with the land use policies
and goals of the Planning Commission to have office zoning serve as a
transitional and buffer use to protect residential areas from the
adverse effects of incompatible land uses and heavily travelled
thoroughfares and streets.
(3) The proposed use will not adversely affect the surrounding use of this
area as there are already established in the adjoining areas similar
uses and zoning.
(4) The proposed change of zoning does not represent an intrusion of office
zoning into an area otherwise residential, but represents an extension
of office zoning already established in the adjoining area.
(5) The proposed change of zoning is consistent with the Planning Commission's
policy of supporting professional service zoning along the I-96 corridor
on a "fill-in" basis between P.S. Districts as opposed to intruding
into otherwise residential areas.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer, under date of 12/22/77,
and that notice of such hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company,
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers
Power Company and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
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A roll call vote resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Friedrichs, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler, DuBose
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Mr. Andrew declared the above motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
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Mrs. Scurto announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 77-11-2-26 by Tuff-Kote
Dinol, Inc., requesting waiver use approval to occupy property for the
specific use of automobile rustproofing, painting and related services
4 on the south side of the I-96 Expressway between Henry Ruff and Melvin
in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 26.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Shane, any correspondence in the file regarding this petition?
Mr. Shane: We have a letter from our Engineering Division indicating that there
are no city-maintained storm sewers in the area to service this
facility. . .etc. Also a letter from our Industrial Development Coordinator
Mr. Dan Gilmartin, dated March 8, 1977, indicating no objections to the
Merriman Road site as presented at that time, but a follow-up letter
regarding this site opposes the request as there is mention of a retail
sales operation being carried out which is not acceptable under the
M-1 zoning district regulations.
Mr. Andrew: Nothing from the the Police or Fire Department?
Mr. Shane: Not yet, as of today.
Mr. Andrew: Is the petitioner or his representative present?
Fred Zehnder: Yes, I will be representing Tuff Kote.
Rep. Tuff-Kote
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Mr. Andrew: Can you explain briefly to the Commission why Tuff Kote is now interested
in this site as opposed to your original proposal?
Mr. Zehnder: We have tried to establish a facility within the Livonia area for quite
some time unsuccessfully. I believe the problems with the Merriman
Road site were relative to objections from the neighbors - Allied
Supermarkets for one - as well as the fact that we would have had to move
a house. There were several reasons that that project was abandoned. We
discussed setting up a facility at this site with Frank Kerby, and he
indicated to us that there were probably no real problems as long as we we:
along with all the local ordinances and requirements. So we went ahead witt
our plans for an automobile rustproofing shop, as well as auto painting
along with some products and services such as installing mud flaps, body
side mouldings, etc. Those are the basic services that we intend to offer,
Mr. Andrew: Does Tuff Kote presently own the property, or do they have a Purchase
Agreement subject to approval of this waiver use request?
Mr. Zehnder: They have a purchase agreement subject to this approval.
Mr. Andrew: Did you discuss in any detail at all with Mr. Kerby your proposed retail
sales operation on this site, and what were Mr. Kerby's comments?
Mr. Zehnder: Mr. Kerby advised us that this idea of having retail sales on this
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have to a waiver use for.
Mr. Andrew: I have to assume that Mr. Kerby has taken the position that this would
0 be an accessory use and therefore is permitted within an M-1 zoning
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liV district. That would be the only way you could handle retail sales
in the district.
Mr. Zehnder: The retail sales we are talking about would only be a very small part
of our operation. The area invloved would not be more than 800 square
feet, and the items to be sold would only be those that the customer
could pick up and install himself. Such things as spray paint,sanders,
etc.
Mr. Andrew: What is the total area of the building?
Mr. Zehnder: Approximately 21,000 sqare feet.
Mr. Andrew: How do you plan to handle the storm sewer problem?
Mr. Zehnder: This is something I am not qualified to answer. I would like to
introduce our architect at this time, Mr. Gil Savage.
Gil Savage: I must admit I am not prepared as to how we will handle that until
such time as a storm sewer does become available.
Mr. Andrew: The thing that bothers me, after a casual look at the site plan, is
whether or not you would consider tapping into the catch basin of the
Schoolcraft service drive.
Mr. Savage: I am sure that something can be worked out. The way the land is zoned,
ILsomewhere along the line, maybe a spur connection, something could be
worked out.
Mr. Andrew: What is the distance to Livonia Drain #26?
Mr. Shane: There are two drains in the area and two storm sewers nearby. One 350'
to the south along the Industrial Road right-of-way, and another 400'
to the west, across property that the petitioner does not own. For this
reason, he might be in limbo.
Mr. Andrew: I feel this problem is putting this Commission into a position where
it cannot directly act on this petition until we hear more from our
Engineering Division as to how they might tie into that off-s:i_te storm
sewer, some 400' away. I am sure this would cost the petitioner quite
a bit of money.
Mr. Savage: My client is aware of the problem.
Mr. Andrew: Maybe it would be more logical to go west. Mr. Shane, another problem
is with respect to the landscape front yard set back. I believe the
ordinance reads that 50% of the front yard must be landscped, which is
not true on this site plan.
Mr. Shane: This site plan shows the building sets back further than it needs to be.
It sets back 78' , and the requirement is only 50' . Landscaping must
be 50% of the required 50' .
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Mr. Andrew: I am concerned about using 50% of the 7,100 sq. ft. shown on the plan.
It looks to me like they have taken a reverse position and landscaped
whatever remains after they put in a driveway and parking lot. Maybe
they should change their parking layout.
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li: Mr. Shane: The plan indicates 25 x 142 for landscaping, and with taking out
that driveway, does give them 50% of the minimum front yard require-
ment for landscaping.
Mr. Andrew: Any questions or comments from the Commission?
Mr. Zimmer: Does this plan indicate a sign anywhere?
Mr. Andrew: There is a sign indicated on the west side.
Mr. Zimmer: What kind of sign is it?
Mr. Zehnder: It would probably be a polyurethane illuminated sign indicating
TUFF KOTE AUTOMOBILE RUSTPROOFING, that could be changed at any time.
Mr. Zimmer: Must be restricted to the limits of the ordinance.
Mr. Andrew: It seems to me I recall that under the Manufacturing Zoning District
regulations that signage should be one square foot for each front foot
of property.
Mr. Zimmer: And how high would it be?
Mr. Shane: Limit of 35 feet.
Mr. Zimmer: And I presume that you will be attempting to appeal to passersby,
as well as those travelling the freeway.
Mr. Zehnder: I don't feel that we will have much visibility from the freeway.
Might be rather diffcult to capture that traffic but we certainly
IL would like as much exposure as we can get.
Mrs. Scurto: I would like to question why it appears that the two handicapped spots
are located in the middle of nowhere. I thought they were supposed to
be as close to the entrance of a building as possible. Why are they so
far away?
Mr. Andrew: Maybe they feel they will never be used.
Mrs. Scurto: There's always the chance.
Mr. Savage: My reasoning for putting these handicapped parking spots off by them-
selves is that I really felt that there would be less traffic in that
area, would be used less often, and consequently would be safer.
Mr. Andrew: Fred, does your company have any option or purchase agreement on the
parcel of property to the east?
Mr. Zehnder: Not at this time.
Mr. Zimmer: What are the normal hours of operation?
Mr. Zehnder: Monday thru Friday 8 to 5, Saturday 8 to 12, We have been known to
i stick around until 6 or 7, cleaning up, but the normal operating hours
are 8 to 5.
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Mr. Zimmer: Will you be having to dispose of large metal refuse, such as mufflers?
Mr. Zehnder: None, whatsoever. Going to be strictly automobile rustproofing, auto
painting, cleaning, waxing, maybe some minor repair work. Any painting
will be of a decorative nature - cosmetic painting perhaps. Nothing
costing more than $200 to $300. No major painting job, will not be a
bump and paint shop.
Mrs. Friedrichs: When the original petition came in for a location on Merriman Road,
there was some consideration about air pollution in the area from paint
fumes, and rustproofing fumes. How do you feel that you can take care
of that here and not there?
Mr. Zehnder: We will be using very sophisticated equipment at this facility. We have
had the Wayne County Board of Health inspect our equipment, and they do
not feel we will be giving off any harmful odors or irritants into the
air.
Mrs. Scurto: Have the Velvet Peanut Butter people been notified?
Mr. Zehnder: Yes, they were. I contacted them myself.
Mrs. Friedrichs: And what was their reaction?
Mr. Zehnder: They had no complaints to our proposal.
* Mr. DuBose: Mr. Zehnder, with regard to cosmetic painting, how do you differentiate
between cosmetic painting and bump-shop painting?
Mr. Zehnder: We would have to refuse any major bump painting. Our work would get
backed up pretty bad. WeFare just thinking about touch-up painting.
We started this type of service in a prototype building in Madison,
Wisconsin about eight months ago, and it has been very successful.
We would like to place about 4 or 5 in the Detroit Area. We have about.
40 or 50 in the Mideastern United States.
Mr. DuBose: I guess my real conern is that this will change into just another bump
and• paint shop, which we don't need any more of in Livonia along our
I-96 and industrial corridor.
Mr. Zehnder: Diversification and expansion is a strong basis for future growth,
and what we really want to concentrate on is car preservation. At this
point in time, we are not equipped to handle every single sort of
repair work, just want to be a car preservation center. There will be
waxing, painting, body side mouldings, mud flaps, etc.
Mr. DuBose: Yes, you did mention retail sales of wax, polishes, etc.
Mr. Zehnder: It won't be a retail sales store like Yesbicks. We will handle probably
only four or five different types of items.
Mr. DuBose: Would you really need to do this?
Mr. Zehnder: Might be a way of adding a couple of dollars to the total. If we
stuck to automobile rustproofing, it might be a bleak future.
Mrs. Friedrichs; Do you plan to model this facility on the one you presently have
in Madson, Wisconsin?
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Mr. Zehnder: The style of the building will be upgraded. Although we are presently
concentrating on rustproofing and cosmetic painting, we would like to
get into brake service and wheel balancing.
Mr. Andrew: Any other comments?
Mr. Morrow: Mr. Zehnder, would your company's idea of changing into this type of
painting business be a result of the automobile companies starting to
think about doing their own rustproofing?
Mr. Zehnder: Yes, it is something we are concerned about.
Mr. Morrow: What percentage of your business would you say depends upon drive-in
trade?
Mr. Zehnder: That is a pretty tough marketing question. Statistics show that a most
ideal location will naturally bring in more trade, but we do advertise in
newspapers also.
Mr. Morrow: So you do depend upon advertising of some sort, whatever the medium
might be. Not just word of mouth?
11r. Zehnder: Yes, that is true.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Savage, east of your site plan there appears to be either an
improved or unimproved ingress and egress driveway which apparently
served that residential structure on the east. Do you know whether
or not it is improved?
Mr. Savage: No, I do not know whether it is improved or not?
Mr. Andrew: Gil, have you done any preliminary work as to the location of the pad
mounted transformers, and where the service will be coming from?
Mr. Savage: No, I cannot answer that at this time.
Mr. Andrew: About those roof-mounted units, and the turnaround distance of the
brick on the east and west. It appears that it extends 24' .
Mr. Savage: Much like the last project we did. We can turn the brick at whatever
site the Planning Commission so desires.
Mr. Andrew: If you turn the brick around the corner 24' , that would take it back to
the office area.
Mr. Savage: Yes, that is right.
Mr. Andrew: I would have to say at this point that it will be a requirement set forth
by this Planning Commission that you will be painting the concrete block
walls on the east, west and south elevations of the building.
Mr. Savage: Yes, we will.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Shane, did any one in your department get a chance
to review the landscape plan?
Mr. Shane: No, we did not. We were primarily interested in the use of the property.
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Mr. Andrew: Any more questions or comments from the Commission? Is there anyone
IL in the audience wishing to speak either for or against this petition?
There was no one else present wishing to speak any further on this matter, Mr. Andrew
declared the Public Hearing on Petition 77-11-2-26 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and adopted, it was
#1-2-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 17,
1978 on Petition 77-11-2-26 as submitted by Tuff Kote Dinol, Inc. , requesting
waiver use approval to occupy property for the specific use of automobile
rustproofing, painting and related services on the south side of the I-96
Expressway between Henry Ruff and Melvin in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 26,
the Planning Commission does hereby determine to table Petition 77-11-2-26
until the Study Meeting scheduled to be conducted on February 7, 1978.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Friedrichs, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver, DuBose
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
At this time, Mr. Andrew gave direction to Mr. Savage:
Give consideration as to the location of the pad mounted transformer as
IL well as any roof mounted air handling units, particularly in relationship
to the Schoolcraft Road right-of-way lane. Also, I would suggest that
you contact Mr. Shane in our Planning Department relative to possible
changes in the landscaping of the front yard setback so that it conforms
to the ordinance.
Mr. Zimmer: Couldn't we also have something in writing from the Velvet Peanut
Butter people?
Mr. Andrew: Good idea. Mr. Zehnder, if you do have something in writing from
them, would you please file it with this Commission?
Mrs. Scurto, Acting Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Petition
77-12-3-11 by the City Planning Commission pursuant to Council
Resolution #1048-77 to vacate a 10' `ieasement for surface drainage
on property located at the southwest corner of Newburgh Road and Perth
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 19.
Mr. Andrew: Have we ever had any request for vacating this drain as it relates
to Lot #36?
Mr. Bakewell: No, there is already an existing structure on this lot. During
construction, there was a relocation of the drain as it is just a
surface drain. -
Mr. Andrew: Technically then, we should just abandon the whole drain. Is the
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1[0 petitioner present?
Donald Thor: Yes, I live here at 14175 Newburgh Road.
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Mr. Andrew: Mr. Thor, you own this property now, or are you in the process of
1[0 buying it?
Mr. Thor: I own the property. There is a house there and I live in it.
Mr. Andrew: You live in a house there now? How did you find out there was an
easement there?
Mr. Thor: In checking with the Engineering Department, they told me about the
drain, saying that it had not been used for a long time. Was just
shown on the map in Sec. 19. I guess it just went northward along
Newburgh Road and then across into Castle Gardens Subdivision. I
guess it was up to me to see that it be vacated and taken off the
map, because Engineering told me it was no ionger in use.
Mr. Andrew: So I assume Engineering has no objection to this petition?
Mr. Shane; That is right. We have no other comments from any other City Department.
Mr. Andrew: I feel that we should take a good look at the other lots that this
Patter Drain goes through - Nos. 18, 31, 36 and, 52. Is there anyone
in the audience wishing to speak either for or against this petition?
Are there any comments or questions from the Commission?
There was no one else wishing to speak on this matter, Mr. Andrew declared the Public
Hearing on Petition 77-12-3-11 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mrs. Friedrichs, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#1-3-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 17,
1978 on Petition 77-12-3-11 as submitted by the City Planning Commission,
pursuant to Council Resolution #1048-77, to vacate a 10' wide easement for
surface drainage on property located at the southwest corner of Newburgh
Road and Perth in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 19, the City Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 77-12-3-11
be approved for the following reasons:
(1) There is no reason to retain this surface drainage easement as it is
no longer needed because the surface drainage is being intercepted
upstream by storm sewers developed within the Perth Avenue right-of-way.
(2) The Engineering Division, in their letter of 12/12/77, have indicated
their support of the proposal to abandon this easement.
(3) With the abandonment of this easement, the property is freed of this
encumbrance and the property can be used in its entirety for single
family residential purposes for which the land is zoned.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer, under date of 12/22/77,
and notice of such hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake
& Ohio Railway Company, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Consumers Power
Company, and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
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Mrs. Scurto announced the next item on the agenda is Petition 77-12-2-27 by Richard
C. Shuler for Allied Supermarkets requesting waiver use approval for the
storage of recreational vehicles on property located west of Merriman Road
north of Plymouth Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 27.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Shane, any correspondence in the file regarding this petition?
Mr. Shane: Yes, we have a letter from Mrs. Caroline Rohde, 12077 Merriman Road,
opposing this petition.
Mr. Andrew: Ralph, could you indicate on the map where the existing Recreational
Vehicle parking sites are?
Mr. Bakewell: I am not sure exactly where they are, but I think they are on Lots
G10 and 9b, and maybe on 7 and 8.
Mr. Andrew: And where does Mrs. Rohde live?
Mr. Shane: We have no parcel number for her, only an address.
Mr. Andrew: Is the petitioner or his representative present?
Mr. Richard Schuler of Allied Supermarkets, or any representative, was not present
for discussion at the Public Hearing of January 17, 1978.
It was then established that recreational vehicle storage lots were presently located
on parcels 9b and 6a.
IL Mrs. Scurto: Maybe no one can answer this, but isn't the back of all that private
property fenced in?
Mr. Shane: Yes, I believe it is, at least 6' , maybe higher.
Mrs. Scurto: Is it barbed at the top?
Mr. Shane: No, I am not sure about that.
Mr. Andrew: Why isn't the petitioner or his representative present?
Mr. Shane: I don't know why the petitioner hasn't shown up. He was certainly
made aware of tonight's meeting.
Mr. Zimmer: I am wondering just why they want to do this. As a convenience to
their employees, or what?
Mrs. Scurto: Couldn't we just withdraw this item from the agenda,we have fulfilled the
requirement of notifying everyone of the Public Hearing, as required
by the Ordinance. Why couldn't we bring it back to a Regular Meeting
without any more advertising to the public?
Mrs. Friedrichs: I was under the impression that this petitioner was only requesting
to provide this service to his employees, that there would be only
10 word-of-mouth advertising of this service for recreational vehicle
storage. The fence was already there, and I would think it would help
the neighborhood. Who knows why the petitioner is not here tonight?
What might have prevented him from appearing? Maybe he had an accident
on the way. We should at least hear the neighbors comments and pursue thi:
further at the next study session of January 24th.
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Mr. Andrew: What I would like to know is who exactly is the originator of this
petition? Is it Richard C. Shuler, or Allied Supermarkets? Is
Richard C. Shuler acting for his own sake, or as a representative
of Allied Supermarkets?
Mr. Shane: The signature on the petition reads "Richard C. Shuler for Allied
Supermarkets" .
Mr. Andrew: Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak either for or against
this petition?
Mary Garchow: I just want to say that there are trailers on both sides of us now
12055 Merri- and we certainly don't want any more.
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Mr. Andrew: You own two lots there on Merriman?
Mary Garchow: Yes, and they have surrounded me with trailers.
Mr. Andrew: How long have you lived there?
Mrs. Garchow: 37 years.
Mrs. Friedrichs: What is the depth of your lot?
Mrs. Garchow: I believe it is 396' . They took some from the front when they
widened Merriman.
Mr. Andrew: Mrs. Garchow, would it inconvenience you any if we were to table this
petition to our Study Session of January 24th. These study meetings
are held at our Engineering Building on Farmington Road, and perhaps
if you could come to that meeting and bring Mrs. Rohde, we could come
to some settlement suitable to everyone. I have no objection to
continuing discussing this for a few more minutes.
Mrs. Scurto:, Mrs. Garchow, it was indicated in Mrs. Rohde's letter that there is a
lot of pedestrian traffic in that area. Do you agree with that?
Mrs. Garchow: Oh yes, there are always people walking in and out of those storage lots.
Mrs. Scurto: There is no time limit on when people can go in and out of there?
Mrs. Garchow: No, no time limit. Sometimes they even block her driveway with their
cars while they go in and out.
Mrs. Scurto: What about break-ins? Have you had any trouble with break-ins?
Mrs. Garchow: My husband is presently on a hemo-dialysis machine, and we are home
all the time. Nobody has tried to bother us that way.
Mr. DuBose: Mrs. Garchow, would you really be terribly inconvenienced by people
parking their recreational vehicles here since your back yard is
already fenced in away from this nuisance?
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Mrs. Garchow:Would you appreciate being surrounded by trailers, and having to look at
nothing but trailers all day?
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Mr. Zimmer: Mrs. Garchow, what is directly behind you now?
Mrs. Garchow: Allied Supermarkets.
Mr. Zimmer: Yes, I know but are there any cars parked there against the fence?
Mrs. Garchow: No cars, the bakery is directly behind us, and the bakery trucks are
there.
Mr. Andrew: Yes, the bakery operation of this complex is on the east side, and
I believe there are some loading docks there too.
Mrs. Friedrichs: With her having such a deep lot, I feel that some sort of landscape
treatment could be put up.
Mrs. Garchow: We did have a pretty yard back there at one time, but because of my
husband's illness, we have not been able to keep it up.
Mr. Andrew: Mrs. Garchow, did your husband at one time work for the Wayne County
Road Commission?
Mrs. Garchow: Yes, he did.
Mr. Andrew: Is there anyone else wishing to speak any further on this matter?
There was no one else wishing to speak on this item, Mr. Andrew declared the Public
Hearing on Petition 77-12-2-27 closed.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Friedrichs, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and adopted it was
#1-4-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 17,
1978 on Petition 77-12-2-27 as submitted by Richard C. Shuler for Allied
Supermarkets requesting waiver use approval for the storage of recreational
vehicles on property located west of Merriman Road north of Plymouth Road
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 27, the City Planning Commission does hereby
determine to table Petition 77-12-2-27 until the study meeting scheduled to
be held on January 24, 1978.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Friedrichs, DuBose, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Kluver
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
Mr. Andrew then directed the Planning Department to invite Mr. Schuler to the Study
Meeting of January 24, 1978, as well as extending an invitation to Mrs. Garchow to
also attend the Study Meeting.
Mrs. Scurto announced the next item on the agenda is Preliminary Plat approval for
Quakertown Subdivision proposed to be located south of Six Mile Road east
of Haggerty Road in the West 1/2 of Section 18.
Ralph Bakewell then asked the Commission if anyone had any questions regarding the
Preliminary Plat as shown on the screen.
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Mr. Andrew: Is that a stub street going off of Penn Drive into Northville Township?
Mr. Bakewell: Yes, the street goes to the rear of the property that fronts on
Haggerty Road at that location.
Mrs. Scurto: Could you give me a rough estimate of the distance from the south end of
the plat to Six Mile Road?
Mr. Bakewell: Yes, there is approximately 3/4 of a mile in the north-south length of
the plat.
Mr. Andrew: Mr. Shane, any correspondence in the file regarding this petition?
Mr. Shane: Yes, we have a letter from Ted Kovarik, the Fire Marshal, reviewing
the plat and listing certain conditions he feels are necessary for
fire protection to the subdivision. Also, a letter from Gary Clark,
Assistant Superintendent of Engineering, indicating certain improvements
in the area. . .etc. As well as a communication from Richard Widmaier
of the Traffic Bureau, outlining possible traffic problems under present
layout plans. We also have two letters from the Wayne County Road
Commission from a William McGosh, one letter dated December 8, 1977 and the
other dated January 17, 1978. Both letters relate to jurisdiction
of streets in layout, as well as mention of possibility of traffic
signal being installed on Six Mile Road at entrance to subdivision. We
also have a letter from Mr. Wilson Grier, Supervisor of Northville Townshi:
indicating support of layout as presented to him in connection with
his planned improvements in this area.
10 Mr. Andrew: Would this Quakertown Lane run right into the southern exit of the
college?
Mr. Shane: Actually, the southern exit of Schoolcraft College is offset somewhat
in a northwesterly direction of the proposed plat. I would say that
the center lane for left-hand turns into either the subdivision or the
college parking lot would be plus or minus 100 feet from each other, and
should present no problems.
Mr. Andrew: No, there probably won't be any conflict there because of the concrete
islands on Six Mile Road. How will westbound Six Mile traffic make a
left turn onto Quakertown Lane?
Mr. Shane: At this time, we do not have a cross section of the traffic patterns
in that area, and for that reason, I cannot answer your question.
Mr. Andrew: Engineering Department says that the existing open drain running from
Haggerty Road going eastward will be enclosed up to Quakertown Lane,
and then become an open water course again and retention basin?
Mr. Shane: Yes, that is correct. Plat does show a retention basin at the easterly
part of the open space.
Mr. Andrew: Doesn't our Ordinance require that a retention basin be fenced?
Mr. Shane: Neither the Zoning Ordinance, nor Subdivision Rules and Regulations
make any specific notation to this point. This question is up to the
Engineering Department, and I believe the depth of the retention basin has
a lot to do with whether or not is is to be fenced.
Mr. Andrew: Is a representative of Republic Development here this evening?
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Howard Binkow: It is our intent to go with this open drain through the entire park
Republic Dev. site. If you insist that we fence it, then we will.
Corp.
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Mr. Andrew: I realize that a cyclone fence along this drain would not be too
attractive. Are there any questions or comments from the Commission?
Mrs. Friedrichs: Mr. Shane, in one of the letters you read, mention was made
regarding street names, continuing the same names from streets
elsewhere in the community.
Mr. Shane: Ordinarily, the names of streets would continue along the same
path as other streets in the community, but in this particular
case, the plat is completely separated from the rest of the City
by the Freeway.
Mrs. Friedrichs: I really like the new names.
Mr. Andrew: Any questions to the proprietor?
Mr. DuBose: Mr. Binkow, what about the Fire Department's statement about their
response time to that area in the south end of the subdivision?
Mr. Binkow: I have no solution to that as yet. We spent a great deal of time
in planning this subdivision, but we have found no way to solve
that problem.
11110 Mrs. Scurto: Will the boulevard continue clear to Six Mile Road all the way
from the residential section, through the multiples?
Mr. Binkow: Yes, it will.
Mr. Zimmer: The responsibility of maintaining that open space rests with the
City?
Mr. Binkow: It is a City park site.
Mr. Andrew: Technically, it is shown as a city park.
Mr. Zimmer: Does the city accept this responsibility without any question.
Mr. Andrew: We do, but I don't know about Council.
Mr. Shane: The Subdivision Rules and Regulations state that a certain amount
of open space is to be set aside for parks, but this area exceeds that
quite a bit.
Mr. Andrew: Is there anyone else in the audience wishing to speak any further on thi
matter?
There was no one else wishing to speak on this matter, Mr. Andrew declared the Public
Hearing on Preliminary Plat Approval for Quakertown closed.
(10 On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mrs. Friedrichs, and adopted, it was
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#1-5-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on January 17,
1978 on Preliminary Plat Approval for Quakertown Subdivision proposed to be
located south of Six Mile Road east of Haggerty Road in the West 1/2 of
Section 18, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that this Preliminary Plat be approved for the following reasons:
(1) The Plat is drawn in full compliance with the R-2-C zoning district
regulations.
(2) The Plat is consistent with the Subdivision Rules and Regulations
of the City of Livonia.
(3) The Plat has the support of all City departments.
(4) The Subdivision is well designed and well laid out so as to provide
for a very attractive, functional and convenient residential sub-
division.
subject to the following conditions:
(1) That a detailed landscape plan be submitted to the Planning Commission
before the Final Plat is submitted showing landscape treatment and
sound abatement controls for the greenbelt easement as shown on the
plan.
(2) A plan with the required entrance markers be submitted to the Planning
Commission for review and approval prior to submittal of the Final Plat.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above hearing was sent to abutting
property owners, the proprietor, City Departments as listed in the Proof
of Service and copies of the plat, together with the notice, have been sent
to the Building Department, Superintendent of Schools, Fire Department,
Police Department and Parks & Recreation Department.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Friedrichs, DuBose, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Kluver
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mrs. Friedrichs, and adopted, it was
#1-6-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on August 16,
1977 on Petition 77-6-2-10 as submitted by Albert R. Lemieux requesting
waiver use approval to expand an existing restaurant located on the west
side of Farmington Road, south of Five Mile Road in the Northeast 1/4
of Section 21, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the
City Council that Petition 77-6-2-10 be approved, subject to the following
conditions:
(1) That Site Plan, revised dated 1/12/78, which is hereby approved
shall be adhered to.
(2) That Building Elevation Plan #77-48, Sheet P-1, dated 12/2/77,
prepared by Shiels Associates, Architects, which is hereby approved,
shall be adhered to.
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(3) The proposed use is in accord with the spirit and purpose of the
Zoning Ordinance, and is not inconsistent with or contrary to the
objectives sought to be accomplished by the Ordinance and principles
of sound planning.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was sent
to property owners within 500 feet, the petitioner, and City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Friedrichs, DuBose, Zimmer, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Scurto
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Friedrichs, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and unanimously
adopted, it was
#1-8-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on August 16,
1977 on Petition 77-6-2-11 as submitted by Albert R. Lemieux requesting
waiver use approval to operate a Class C Liquor Licensed establishxent
within an existing restaurant located on the west side of Farmington Road,
south of Five Mile Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 21, the City
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition
77-6-2-11 be approved, subject to the following conditions:
(1) That Site Plan, revised dated 1/12/78, which is hereby approved,
shall be adhered to.
(2) That Building Elevation Plan #77-48, Sheet P-1, dated 12/2/77,
prepared by Shiels Associates, Architects, which is hereby approved,
shall be adhered, to.
(3) That all landscape materials as shown on the approved Site Plan
shall be installed on the site by June 1, 1978 and thereafter
permanently maintained in a healthy condition.
for the following reason:
(1) The proposed use is in accord with the spirit and purpose of the
Zoning Ordinance and is not inconsistent with or contrary to the
objectives sought to be accomplished by the Ordinance and principles
of sound planning.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was sent to
property owners within 500 feet, the petitioner and City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mrs. Scurto, seconded by Mr. DuBose, and adopted, it was
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1[: #1-7-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
November 22, 1977 on Petition 77-10-1-40 as submitted by Stanley and
Gladys Hayes to rezone property located south of Five Mile Road between
Beatrice and Middlebelt Road in the north 1/2 of Section 23, from RUFA
to C-2, the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 77-10-1-40 be approved for the following reasons:
(1) The proposed expansion of commercial zoning is a minor extension
so as to have the new district lines more logically conform to
physical boundary lines such as the centerline of Beatrice and/or
squaring off the south boundary line of the commercial distrct.
(2) With the proposed expansion of commercial zoning, it will facilitate
the coordination of all parcels within the C-2 District into one
unified, coordinated and harmonious commercial facility as the lands
under petition as well as the adjacent lands to the east already
within the C-2 District, are under common ownership and therefore
are subject to one unified development plan.
(3) The proposed expansion of commercial zoning will not provide for
expansion of nonconforming uses but will provide an opportunity
to develop the lands with uses that are permitted within the C-2
District which the majority of the lands within the area are presently
zoned, thereby eliminating the nonconforming uses which have been
detrimental to, incompatible with, and hazardous to the adjoining
IL residential neighborhood to the west.
(4) With the expansion of the C-2 zoning and with the provision for site
plan approval, the development will be regulated, planned and controlled
so as to have any new commercial development planned in such a way
as to give proper attention to layout, traffic control, screening and
building architecture so that future development will be more compatible
with and sympathetic to adjoining residential development.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of the above Public Hearing was published
in the official newspaper, the Livonia Observer, under date of 11/3/77,
and that notice of such hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Company,
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company, Consumers Power Company, Michigan Bell
Telephone Company, and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, DuBose, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Friedrichs
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
The Chairman announced that Petition 77-11-2-24 by Mario Fallone requesting waiver
use approval to establish an S.D.D. Liquor Licensed operation in an existing
commercial business located on the east side of Middlebelt Road, south of
110 Bretton Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 1, be removed from the agenda
and rescheduled for Regular Meeting to be held on January 31, 1978.
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On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mrs. Scurto, and unanimously adopted,
it was
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#1-9-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a letter dated 12/20/77 from Bedford Associates,
the City Planning Commission does hereby determine to table Petition
77-8-1-26 as submitted by Bedford Associates to rezone property located
on the east side of Middlebelt Road, north of Plymouth Road in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 25 from M-1 to C-2 for an indefinite period of time.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#1-10-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a letter dated 12/20/77 from Bedford Associates
the City Planning Commission does hereby approve the withdrawal of Petition
77-8-2-19 as submitted by Bedford Associates requesting waiver use approval
to construct a restaurant to be located on the east side of Middlebelt
Road north of Plymouth Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 25.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mr. DuBose, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#1-11-78 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Section 23.01(b) of
Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended,
does hereby establish and order that a public hearing be held to determine
whether or not/$ezone property located west of Farmington Road, south of
the I/275/96 Freeway in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 28, from P.L. to M-1.
FURTHER RESOLVED that, notice of such hearing be given as provided in
Section 23.05 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of
Livonia, as amended, and that thereafter there shall be a report and
recommendation submitted to the City Council.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. Zimmer, seconded by Mr. DuBose, and adopted, it was
#1-12-78 RESOLVED that, pursuant to Council Resolution #544-77, the City Planning
Commission having met with the City of Livonia Parks and Recreation
Commission on January 10, 1978 and having further studied the matter
regarding the feasibility of leasing a City-owned parcel of land for the
construction of a square dance facilitity and required parking spaces
at its Regular Meeting of January 17, 1978, does hereby advise the City
Council of its ultimate conclusion that the Planning Commission does not
support the concept contained within the subject Council Resolution for the
following reasons:
(1) There is no apparent precedent in the City of Livonia which would
be comparable to allowing public lands to be used for the profit
of a single named individual.
(2) Council Resolution #554-77 names only one person, thereby limiting the
proposal to a single-purpose facility under the operation of a single
ownership.
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(3) The long-term aspect of amortization would provide, in all likelihood,
for a perpetuity of ownership within one named family in that it
would be possible for other members of the family, or heirs, to
continue the operation throughout the life of the lease.
(4) There exists the legal possibility that changing laws or changing
social values would allow for the operation of this facility beyond
any proposed amortization date.
(5) The proposal in the form offered, binds the square dance facility
to new construction without taking into consideration other methods
which would give the resolution more latitude to compare with other
proposals; namely the leasing of existing facilities which are
publicly owned and which could be made available through a leasehold
agreement.
(6) Other leasehold agreements which the City has signed have allowed for
any number of persons or business entities to bid on concession rights,
thereby allowing those portions of leased public lands, such as the
Golden Lantern and Idyl Wyld Restaurants, to reach maximum monetary potent'
through the acceptable method of competitive bidding.
A roll call vote resulted in the following:
AYES: Kluver, Friedrichs, DuBose, Zimmer, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: Scurto
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#1-13-78 RESOLVED that, the Minutes of the 345th Regular Meeting and Public Hearing
held by the City Planning Commission on November 22, 1977 be approved.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mr Morrow, and unanimously adopted,
it was
#1-14-78 RESOLVED that, the Minutes of the 346th Regular Meeting and Public Hearing
held by the City Planning Commission on December 13, 1977 be approved.
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made by Mr. DuBose, seconded by Mr. Zimmer, and adopted, it was
#1-15-78 RESOLVED that, the Minutes of the 320th Special Meeting held by the City
PLanning Commission on December 20, 1977 be approved.
A roll call vote resulted in the following:
AYES: Friedrichs, DuBose, Zimmer, Scurto, Morrow, Andrew
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Kluver
ABSENT: Falk, Wisler
Mr. Andrew declared the above motion carried and the foregoing resolution adopted.
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At this time, Mr. John Nagy gave a report of a Court Hearing held on Friday,
afternoon, January 13, 1978, in Wayne Circuit Court concerning the JP Properties
suit against the City of Livonia (Bill Knapps' Restaurant on Six Mile Road near
Newburgh) . Mr. Nagy informed the Commission that the matter is still pending.
On a motion duly made, seconded, and unanimously approved, the 347th Regular
Meeting and Public Hearings held by the Livonia City Planning Commission on
January 17, 1978 was adjourned at 10:55 p.m.
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