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• THE 133RD REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING
COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, November 21, 1961 the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia held
a public hearing and the 133rd Regular Meeting at the Livonia City Hall at 33001 Five
Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan. Mr. Charles W. Walker, Chairman called the public hearing
to order at approximately 8:02 p.m.
Members present: James Watson, Jr. , Arthur Samuels, James Cameron, Robert L.
Angevine, Leonard K. Kane, W. E. Okerstrom and Charles W.
Walker.
Members absent: **Robert L. Greene and Dennis Anderson
Mr. David R. McCullough, City Planner was present along with approximately 10 interested
persons in the audience.
Mr. McCullough: The first item on the agenda is Petition Z-531 by the City
Planning Commission, on its own motion, to determine whether or
not to rezone certain property located on the south side of
Plymouth Road between Ingram and Blackburn Streets in the
Northeast 1/4 of Section 34 from C-1 to P-1. There is no
correspondence but the two owners of the property involved
are present tonight.
le-, Mr. Joseph Maisano, 20254 Bentler, Detroit was also present to represent the two
owners, Dr. George Timpona and Dr. George M. Marston.
**Mr. Robert L. Greene arrived at approximately 8:05 p.m.
A lengthy discussion was held on the question of the availability of parking space
for that particular area. Dr. Timpona stated that at the present time there was an
area of 40 ft. between his building line and the alley line which was used for
parking purposes. He had one tenant in his building who was in the business of
insurance besides his own office. Dr. Marston stated he had two tenants besides him-
self, the office of Judge Lorion and a clinical laboratory. He also had approximately
43 ft. between his building line and the alley line for parking purposes.
Dr. Timpona stated he did not know why he and Dr. Marston had been singled out for
this rezoning. He and Dr. Marston had no parking problems. He was asked by Mr.
McCullough what would happen if the other property owned by him were ever built upon.
If all the area was used for building what about the parking? Dr. Timpona stated
that out of what remained, he was going to keep 20 ft. for parking for himself and
that whoever built upon the remaining portion, 20 ft. of that would also be for
parking. Dr. Timpona continued by stating that if the city wanted to purchase a
portion of what he owned to assure parking for that area he was willing to sell it
for what he paid for it, plus the taxes and sewer assessment.
Mr. Charles Forrest, Assistant City Attorney arrived at approximately 8:10 p.m.
[ Mr. Walker explained to those present that the Planning Commission was looking into all
the property between Merriman and Hubbard on the south side of Plymouth Road on this
problem of parking. It was very critical in several places. This was the first
hearing on the first portion. The intent is to bring all property owners in for a ..
public hearing who have vacant property so as to determine if something could be
worked out to eliminate the problem of off-steet parking in this area. He stated
the Planning Commission was looking ahead when Plymouth Road is widened because this
will eliminate the parking area in front of buildings. This will make it imperative
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to either use the vacant lots for parking or have the parking at the rear of the
buildings. It is also being determined whether or not it would be advisable to vacate
the alley way. At this time it is not known if this would work out because it is
not knownjust how-much the alley is used to service the businesses on Plymouth Road.
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We feel that in the very near future there will be an acute parking problem in this
area. It will depreciate property and hurt the existence of some of the businesses.
If anything is to be done, it should be done now. If it is held off until further
development of the vacant property, the local businesses there are going to be hurt
much more.
Mr. McCullough asked Dr. Timpona and Dr. Marston if they would make an effort to obtain
the approval of the •:ther property owners in that area to go along with vacating the
alley. They stated they would.
It was also brought out that any addition to present buildings would preferred to be
at the rear in the proposed vacated alley. Dr. Marston stated he had built his
building with the idea of adding on to the side of the building. Mr. McCullough stated
he felt it was possible to make his building "L" shape so as to utilize the area at
the rear instead of at the side of the present building.
Mr. Walker asked if there was anyone else in the audience who wished to speak? He
then stated that this item would be taken under advisement until the information is
received as to whether or not the other owners would be agreeable to requesting the
vacating of the alley.
Dr. Marston asked if the Planning Commission would approve the vacating of the alley,
presuming that the other property owners went along with it?
ILMr. Walker answered by stating that the Planning Commission had looked into the
possibility of vacating the alley and the only thing that deterred them from going
ahead was because we did not know how it would effect the people in the block and
if they would object to the vacating. If it is found that the others do not object,
then I would say that the Planning Commission would be agreeable to vacating the alley.
Mr. Walker stated again that this item would be taken under advisement.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition Z-532 by the City
Planning Commission, on its own motion, to determine whether
or not to amend Article 14.00, sub-section 14.03 (h) and
Article 15.00, sub-section 15.03 (b) of the Zoning Ordinance
of the City of Livonia, Ordinance No. 60.
Mr. Walker: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak.
Mr. McCullough explained to those present that this amendment would eliminate or
prohibit all dwellings, commercial and professional uses of every kind, unless other
wise expressly listed as a permitted use in the industrial zones.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane, supported by Mr. Angevine, it was
#11-199-61 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
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on Petition Z-532 as submitted by the City Planning Commission,
on its own motion, to determine whether or not to amend Section
14.03 (h) of Article 14.00 and Section 15.03 (b) of Article 15.00
of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, Ordinance No. 60,
the City Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition Z-532 be granted for the following reasons:
(a) that industrial land is the municipality's prime economic
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resource. This proposal will tend to preserve the integrity of
these areas by preventing the intrusion of less productive uses; and
(b) in the event a large size commercial development is contemplated
on industrial land, it can speedily be rezoned as was done in the case
of Shopper's Fair, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in the
official newspaper, The Livonia City Post, under date of November 1,
1961 and notice of which hearing was sent to The Detroit Edison Co. ,
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co. , Michigan Bell Telephone Co. , The
Consumers Power Company, City Departments and petitioner as listed
in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Cameron, Greene, Angevine, Watson, Kane, Okerstrom and
Walker
NAYS: None
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition Z-533 by the City
Planning Commission, on its own motion, to determine whether or not to
amend Article 14.00 by deleting Sections 14.02 (a) and (j) and amend
Article 15.00 by deleting Section 15.02 (e) of the Zoning Ordinance of
the City of Livonia, Ordinance No. 60.
This amendment would prohibit drive-in theatres from the industrial zones.
It also would delete that sub-section permitting any use of land or
IL: building which is permitted in an AG or C-2 District to be used in
the M-1 zone.
It was ascertained that relative to Section 14.02 (a) which permitted AG and C-2 uses
in the M-1 zone, this was previously taken care of by Petition Z-399 which just recently
was approved by the City Council.
After a brief discussion it was determined to take this item under advisement for
further study.
Mr. Walker: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak? Then this
item will be taken under advisement.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
#11-200-61 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn the
public hearing held on Tuesday, November 21, 1961 at approximately
8:30 p.m.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Cameron, Greene, Angevine, Watson, Kane, Okerstrom
and Walker
NAYS: None
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
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Mr. Walker called the 133rd Regular Meeting to order at approximately 6:31 p.m. with
all those present now who were present at the time the public hearing was adjourned.
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• Mr. McCullough asked if Item #10 could be heard at this time. This item was a final
ILapproval for Law-El Subdivision located on the south side of Meadowlark and east of
Middlebelt Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 24. The developers, Gordon-Begin
Realtors have been asked to supply deed restrictions so as to prohibit erecting de-
tached garages on certain lots in said subdivision.
Yr. McCullough stated Mr. Gordon was present but would like to have this item brought
up now because he had another meeting to attend this evening.
It was ascertained that two or three of the lots in said subdivision were already
sold. There were no changes from the ^reliminary plat approval. Mr. Gordon stated
he would be agreeable to the following being.written on the face of the final plat:
"Pursuant to the provisions of Section 15 of Act 265, 1931, as
amended, it is agreed by and between the undersigned that the
Gordon-Begin Investment Co. , its successors, assigns of Lots 4
through 13 in Law-E1 Subdivision are prohibited from erecting
detached garages on these lots, unless such garages can be erected
without the necessity of requesting a variance to reduce yard
requirements. This restriction and limitation shall have the same
force of law and be enforceable in the same manner as the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia."
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Watson, it was
#11-201-61 RESOLVED that, final plat of the Lacer-El Subdivision located in
ILO' the Southwest 1/4 of Section 24 be given final approval, subject,
however, to the following being designated on the face of the
final plat:
"Pursuant to the provisions of Section 15 of Act 285,
1931, as amended, it is agreed by and between the
undersigned that the Gordon-Begin Investment Co. , its
successors, assigns of Lots 4 through 13 in Law-El
Subdivision are prohibited from erecting detached
garages on these lots, unless such garages can be
erected without the necessity of requesting a variance
to reduce yard requirements. This restriction and
limitation shall have the same force of law and be
enforceable in the same manner as the Zoning Ordinance
of the City of Livonia."
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the City
Planning Commission under date of June 18, 1957; August 18, 1958;
and July 21, 1959; and it further appearing that said proposed
plat together with the plans and specifications for improvements
therein have been approved by the Department of Public Works under
date of March 1i, 1960; and it further appearing that a cash bond in
the amount of $300.00 and a surety bond in the amount of $2,100.00
IL to cover the installation of improvements have been filed in the
office of the City Clerk under date of October 30, 1961; such bonds
having been approved by Charles J. Pinto, City Attorney on November
1, 1961 it would therefore appear that all the conditions necessary
to the release of the building permits have been met and the Build-
ing Department is hereby so notified.
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ILA roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Cameron, Greene, Angevine, Watson, Kane, Okerstrom
and Walker
NAYS: None
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is the approval of proposed deed
restrictions agreement prepared by the Department of Law for Lyndon Meadows
#4 and #5 located in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 23.
Mr. McCullough informed those present that he had been notified that the bond for
said subdivision had not been filed as yet, consequently this item along with Item
#9, requesting final approval for Lyndon Meadows #4 and #5, should be removed from
the agenda. They will be scheduled for a later meeting.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition Z-528 by Charles Allen
on behalf of W. & M. Mangold for a change of zoning on property located on
the north side of Seven Mile Road approximately 350 ft. East of Middlebelt
Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 1 from RUFB to C-2. Public Hearing
11/7/61, item taken under advisement.
Mr. Charles Allen, Sr. and Jr. were present. They informed the commission that the
petitioner already had two tenants for the proposed shopping center. There would be
Lapproximately ten stores if a large concern did not go in. If a large concern went
in, it would reduce the number of small stores.
Mr. Walker questioned if this area could use additional commercial zoning considering
the recent developments in that area. He stated that a few years ago there was a
grocery business on the southeast corner of Middlebelt and Seven Mile Road which did
not succeed. It was then leased to the Spiegel, Inc. On Middlebelt Road, south of
Seven Mile Road, there is a professional building with four offices of which only
two are occupied. At the present time there are two stores boarded up in the shopping
center on the southwest corner and just very recently Tom's Market went out of the
food business into wholesale business. All this seems to indicate that there is no
need for further development of commercial area in this location. Mr. Walker continued
by stating that on the northwest corner the commercial area had been increased at
three different times with another request before the Planning Commission at this
time. We have been led to believe that possiLlv there was to be a Sears store in
this area but just recently according to the ne,7spapers, this is not true. We are
wondering if this rezoning to commercial is just for speculation.
Mr. Charles Allen, Sr. , stated that their request is not for speculation. They have
two tenants already slated for their shopping center. Also a portion of one of the
lots in the petitions is already zoned C-2.
Mr. Allen, Jr. , stated that the property is land locked and could not be platted
due to the creek. At the time we submit p; • ns f _ t::c sho^ping center, approval will
have to be obtained from the Engineering Department as to the size of the crock and
also,if it is determined it is necessary to relocate, approval will have to be obtained
from said department. Mr. Allen further stated that nothing will be built until first
class tenants were obtained. If it is possible to acgilire the corner, it will be
fitted into our present plans.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Angevine, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
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#11-202-61 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
IL Tuesday, November 7, 1961 on Petition Z-528 as submitted by
Charles Allen on behalf of W. & M. Mangold for a change of zoning
in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 1 from RUFB to C-2, the City
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council
that Petition Z-528 be granted for the following reasons:
(1) the Planning Commission has previously set a policy of
encouraging the use of land at mile road intersections for
commercial purposes particularly where shopping centers rather
than strip type commercial can be accommodated;
(2) its location with reference to the proposed and existing
commercial facilities on the other three corners of this inter-
section preclude its use for residential purposes.
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in
the official newspaper, The Livonia City Post under date of
October 18, 1961 and notice of which hearing was sent to The
Detroit Edison Co. , Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co. , Michigan
Bell Telephone Co. , The Consumers Power Company, City Departments
and petitioners as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Greene, Angevine, Watson, Kane, Okerstrom
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NAYS: Cameron
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. Mc Cullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition Z-530 by the City
Planning Commission on their own motion to determine whether or not to
rezone property located on the northwest corner of Seven Mile Road and
Middlebelt Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2 from RUFB and R-1A to
C-2. Public Hearing 11/7/61, item taken under advisement.
Mr. McCullough stated at the last meeting the question was raised as to how certain
property fronting on Purlingbrook could be utilized. He presented a sketch of a
proposed street layout on this property to the commission. This was property that
was not included in the rezoning. Mr. McCullough informed the commission that with
regardto the newspaper article about two Sears Roebuck stores being designated for
Warren and Roseville, he did not think that this necessarily would preclude a Sears
store in Livonia. It is possible that the owner of this property did have another
tenant.
Mr. Watson asked if there was anything concrete about what was going to be built
upon this property. He felt that the owner should come before the Planning Commission
with some details.
Mr. McCullough asked if the Commission would like to have the owner present to see
what he has in mind.
Mr. Samuels felt that this property would never be used for residential, it is a
logical area for commercial uses.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane, supported by Mr. Cameron, it was
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#11-203-61 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, November 7, 1961 on Petition Z-530 as submitted by
the City Planning Commission, on its own motion, for a change of
zoning in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2 from RUFB and R-1A to
C-2, the City Planning Commissbn does hereby recommend to the
City Council that Petition Z-530 be granted for the following
reasons:
(1) the Planning Commission has previously set a policy of
encouraging the use of land at mile road intersections for
commercial purposes particularly where shopping centers rather
than strip type commercial can be accommodated;
(2) the location of this property with reference to the proposed
and existing commercial facilities on the other three corners of
this intersection preclude its use for residential purposes;
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in
the official newspaper, The Livonia City Post on November 1, 1961
and notice of which hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison Co. ,
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co. , Michigan Bell Telephone Co. , The
Consumers Power Company, City Departments and petitioner as listed
in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Cameron, Greene, Angevine, Kane and
' Walker
NAYS: Watson and Okerstrom
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane, supported by Mr. Cameron and unanimously
adopted, it was
#11-204-61 RESOLVED that, final plat of the Meri-Lynn Farms Subdivision #5
located in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 22 be given final approval,
and
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the City
Planning Commission on April 3, 1956 and October 20, 1959; and
it further appearing that said proposed plat together with the
plans and specifications for improvements therein have been
approved by the Department of Public Works under date of
November 4, 1959; and it further appearing that a bond in the L .
amount of #22,000,00, pursuant to Council's Res. #730-61 and #796-61
to cover the installation of improvements has been filed in the
office of the City Clerk under date of November 16, i9bi; such
bond having been approved by Charles J. Pinto, City Attorney on
November 20, 1961 it would therefore appear that all the conditions
necessary to the release of building permits have been met and
the Building Department is hereby so notified.
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane and unanimously
ILadopted,it was
#11-205-61 RESOLVED that, final plat of the Kimberly Oaks Subdivision #2 located
in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 22 be given final approval, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, inasmuch as it appears on the records that
tentative approval of said proposed plat was given by the City
Planning Commission on November 10, 1959; and it further appearing
that said proposed plat together with the plans and specifications
for improvements therein have been approved by the Department of
Public Works under date of October 20, 1962; and it further appearing
that a bond in the amount of $25,000.00, pursuant to City Council's
Resolutions #758-61 and #790-61, to cover the installation of im-
provements has been filed in the office of the City Clerk under date
of November 21, 1961; such bond having been approved by R. C. Kropf,
City Attorney on November 21, 1961 it would therefore appear that
all the conditions necessary to the release of building permits
have been met and the Building Department is hereby so notified.
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is a request from Truman Strong
dated November 9, 1961 for a determination as to whether or not a beauty
parlor may be considered a professional occupation as interpreted in Section
IL9.52 PS Regulations.
Mr. Truman Strong explained that he had a building located on the corner of Kendall
and Merriman approximately 402 ft. north of Schoolcraft consisting of four units.
Three of the units faced Kendall, the remaining one faced Merriman. This unit was next
door to a party store south of his building. It was this unit facing Merriman which
he would like to use for beauty parlor purposes. He stated he was having difficulty
in renting 80% of his building. At the present time he had only one tenant. The
units facing Kendall were laid out for adoctor's use, but the one facing Merriman Road
was not.
Mr. Walker stated that it was the Planning Commission's intention at the time the
PS zone was created to only include those uses which were professional and prohibit
any commercial use.
Mr. Okerstrom informed Mr. Strong that the immediate vicinity of his building hadn't
been developed as yet to any extent. He felt with the commercial immediately across
the street from Mr. Strong's building and also immediately south of his building
that this would no doubt bring in more business to the extent that in the very near
future Mr. Strong would not have any difficulty in renting his units for professional
use.
Mr. Angevine stated that it was not the intent of the Planning Commission or the
City Council that a beauty parlor or any other commercial type of business be con-
': sidered a professional service. He continued by stating that the Planning Commission
was not discussing just one commercial use but in affect they were discussing all
commercial uses.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Angevine, supported by Mr. Okerstrom and unanimously
adopted, it was
#11-206-61 RESOLVED that, acting pursuant to authority vested in it by Section
9.52 (b) of the Zoning Ordinance, the City Planning Commission does
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hereby determine that beauty parlors are not included within
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professional uses. This conclusion is supported by the fact
that beauty parlors are included in C-1 and C-2 zones. It has
the characteristics of the commercial as opposed to professional
use.
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item is a motion to rezone certain property in the
Northeast 1/4 of Section 27 from M-1 to M-2. I have been instructed that
those people who own industrial land and desire a change of zoning, should
request the change in the usual manner by filing a petition and paying the
regular zoning fee instead of requesting the Planning Commission to do so
on their own motion. Because of this, this item should be removed from
the agenda.
Mr. Walker: This item is taken off the agenda ns suggested by Mr.
McCullough.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition M-233 by Jack Shenkman
asking permission to have a private educational institution on property
located on the north side of Seven Mile Road between Osmus and Auburndale
in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 3. Public Hearing 11/7/61, item taken
under advisement; study meeting 11/14/61.
Mr. Shenkman asked for a two week delay at the time of the public hearing.
LSince that time he asked for another delay until the 28th of November. Late
this afternoon he called again and said that he was trying to negotiate
for two separate parcels and because of this would like to request a post-
pcuement until the 12th of December. He said he would forward a letter
with this request.
It was determined that those persons who had objected to the petition at the public
hearing would be informed as to when this item will be acted upon.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is proposed Newburgh Heights Subdivision
located on the Northeast corner of Newburgh and Five Mile Roads in the
Southeast 1/4 of Section 18. Submitted by J. Menuck, Oakview Homes, Inc.
Public Hearing held on October 17, 1961, item taken under advisement until
the question of the fire station site had been determined by the City
Council.
Mr. J. Menuck, Mr. D. Goldman, Attorney and Mr. B. Warner, Warner & Warner, were
all present.
Mr. Goldman informed the commission that Mr. Drost, Director of Public Safety had
indicated that the city was interested in the fire station site and it is to be on
the City Council's agenda for the meeting a week from tomorrow which will be on Nov-
ember 29th. Mr. Menuch has requested that the City Planning Commission consider
1[40 two schemes of Newburgh Heights Subdivision, one with the proposed fire station site
and another without the site.
Mr. Walker stated that Mr. Drost had asked him if the Planning Commission would
postpone action until such t'me t Council has acted upon the question of the fire
station site. He promised —twat RE would make an effort to get a definite answer
from them one way or the other. In lieu of this, Mr. Walker continued, he felt that
if this was rushed through and went on to the council the developer might run into
trouble.
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ILMr. Menuck asked how long was a short time?
Mr. Walker asked if they would be willing to give them until the next meeting
scheduled for the 28th of November. By that time the Council should have decided
on the fire station site.
Mr. Goldman stated they had no alternative but to wait. He urged the Planning
Commission to take action at tonight's meeting. Suggested a resolution of approval
contingent upon the decision of the city council.
Mr. Watson asked if the Planning Commission could approve the plat holding Lots 1
through 10 in abeyance because of this situation?
Mr. Samuels asked how rapidly would the Council act on whether they want the site
or not?
Mr. McCullough answered by stating the council could give them an answer this week.
Mr. Goldman stated that there were two sites the Council was interested in. The
question was which one they wanted. If the site in the proposed Newburgh Heights
Subdivision is taken then they would have to discuss the matter of money. They had
submitted a proposal to the City Council but nothing has been decided.
Mr. Kane asked if the Planning Commission had discussed the subdivision as yet. If
there is anything about the subdivision that the Planning Commission did not like and
ILOL the developer had to come back with changes or a revised plat, this would delay them
again. He felt that the Planning Commission should make their comments on the plat
tonight.
Mr. Walker concurred with Mr. Kane.
M . Angevine stated that he didn't see why the plat could not be approved with
the stipulation that certain lots not be built upon until it has been determined
that a site for a fire station is needed.
Mr. McCullough stated that as long as you are going to discuss the plat, there is
the question of access drives along Five Mile and Newburgh Roads. The developer has
indicated he can not go along with access drives. Also, Mr. McCullough, continued,
there is the question of those lots having a depth of less than 100 ft. I would
assume that they will attached garages. Regarding the question of access roads, unless
tese nare required, property owners of mile road lots will eventually demand commercial
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Mr. Goldman stated that they could put an agreement on the plat that they will have
attached garages on those lots where they are less than 100 ft.
Mr. McCullough stated there were other problemswith this plat . Cne was in relation to the
number of intersections into the mile roads from the subdivision. And, along
Newburgh Road there were three that he felt did not have the 90° angle necessary.
He felt that this could be hazardous.
ILMr. Warner stated that they had tried every possible arrangement and this was the
most satisfactory.
Mr. Watson asked if it were possible to revise the lots adjacent to Newburgh so that
the driveways would be farther away from the intersections?
Mr. Menuck answered that the house on these lots could be arranged in a different
way but they have found out that the buyer prefers his driveway nearer to the inter-
section than his bedrooms.
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Mr. McCullough stated that when Newburgh becomes a heavily traveled road it will
11[: be a good idea not to have the driveways where they are.
Mr. Menuck stated that Mr. Warner has determined that every driveway is about
50 ft. away from the property lines.
Mr. Cameron asked how the garages would be situated on the lots siding on Five
Mile Road? Mr. Menuck and Mr. Warner showed him the detailed drawing of these
specific lots.
Mr. Kane questioned how this will look along Newburgh with respect to those lots
that don't really face or side on Newburgh but are angled? Another question raised
by Mr. Kane was in reference to a developer coming in to develop the land north of
this proposed plat. Will he be made to put in the access drives and the lots so
that they have right angles?
Mr. Warner did not think that the way the plat was laid out would make it lock un-
attractive along Newburgh Road. He felt that these lots along Newburgh as they
are platted would afford much better use of the land for the purchaser of the lot.
He personally felt there was nothing wrong with the plataesthetically.
Mr. Green thought that Mr. Kane had a good point, while this is fine for this piece
of land what is going to happen to the land north of this plat?
Mr. Angevine stated no matter what pattern is determined with this plat, it should
be followed by the other developer.
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Mr. Greene stated if the Planning Commission approves this plat as is, it is setting
a pattern. Previously we have more or less made a policy of having access roads
along mile roads. If we forget about it for this plat, we will have to forget about
it for the other land.
Mr. Watson stated that the size of the plat would have a lot to do with how it would
be laid out.
Mr. Goldman stated he didn't feel that the policy of access drives was being
followed rigidly in Livonia.
Mr. McCullough informed Mr. Goldman it has for the past three years.
Mr. Goldman felt that you would find more streets without access drives in Livonia
than with access drives.
Mr. Greene stated that Newburgh would look very pecular with this proposed subdivision
not having any access drives and the future subdivision north of it having them.
Mr. Warner felt that since Newburgh was a highway it wouldn't detract from its
appearance at all.
I: Mr. Greene stated he was not talking about the appearance, he was talking about the
functioning of the access drives.
Mr. Walker stated if the Commission felt they would like to act on this matter
tonight they could possibly do this by approving the plat with the proposed fire
station site designated thereon and in the event the City Council did not wish
to acquire the site, the developer could come back to the Planning Commission at a
later date and have the proposed plat without the fire: station site approved.
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Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Samuels, supported by Mr. Watson, it was
#11-207-61 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on Tuesday, October 17, 1961, the City Planning Commission does
hereby give approval to the preliminary plat of the Newburgh
Heights Subdivision located on the northwest corner of Newburgh
and Five Mile Roads in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 18, subject,
however, to the following:
(1) that Lots 1 through 10 be included until such time that
the City Council has detexm inedif said lots are going to be
used for a proposed fire station site, and
(2) that the developer will file a deed, restriction simultaneously
with the final plat agreeing hever to erect detached garages on
those lots with depth of less than 105 feet,
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to the
abutting property owners, proprietor, City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service and copies of the plat together with
notice having been sent to the Building Department, Superintendent
of Schools, Fire Department, Police Department, Parks & Recreation
a Department and Members of the Plat Committee.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Samuels, Angevine, Watson, Kane, Okerstrom and Walker
NAYS: Cameron and Greene
Mr. Walker: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough stated the next item was with regard to the annual Christmas party.
He stated Mr. Angevine had purchased the tickets for the members of the Planning
Commission and their guests for a performance at the new Fisher Theatre. Plans
were also made to make reservations for dinner after the performance at a nearby
restaurant. The secretary was requested to notify and invite the Mayor and Mrs.
Brashear.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Watson and unanimously
adopted, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn the 133rd Regular Meeting
at approximately 9:45 p.m. on Tuesday, November 21, 1961.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
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W. E. Okerstrom, Secretary
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