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MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING
AND THE 112th REGULAR MEETING OF THE
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, February 16, 1960 the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held a Public Hearing and the 112th Regular Meeting at the Livonia City Hall,
33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan. Mr. Angevine, Chairman, called the
Public Hearing to order at approximately 8:10 p.m.
Members present: H.Paul Harsha, Wilford Okerstrom, Leonard Kane, Dennis Anderson,
Robert L. An gevine, William Robinson and Charles Walker
Members absent: Robert L. Greene**, Robert L. Peacock
Mr. Charles J. Pinto, Assistant City Attorney and Mr. David R. McCullough, City
Planner were present along with approximately 150 interested persons.
Mr. McCullough: The first item on the agenda is Petition M-187 by Dr. Warren M.
Strong who is requesting permission to operate a veterinary hospital on the South
side of Plymouth Road between Farmington Road and Stark Road, known as 33539 Ply-
mouth Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 33. There is no correspondence.
Dr. Warren M. Strong was present.
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
Mr. Gerald W. Glass, 33597 Plymouth Road: I wish to object to the proposed use.
We live within 150 ft. from the back door of the building to be
used.
Mr. John Pasanen, 33593 Plymouth Road: Why didn't Dr. Strong ask if the property
owners within 100 ft. from the proposed building objected to this
use? I feel it will be disturbing to us and there isn't sufficient
room for the animals. There will be an oar also which will be
objectionable.
Mrs. Elsie Moon, 33599 Plymouth Road: We are located at the back door of the
proposed veterinary hospital and we object to the use.
Mr. Charles Cannon, 25846 Haas, Dearborn: I am representing the Big Boy Restaurant
which will be next door to the veterinary hospital and we strongly
object to the proposed use. It will be noisy and there will be an
odor.
Mr. Angevine: Are there any further questions from the Commission?
Mr. Kane: Do you expect to have dogs outside?
Cr. Strong: No, there will be a reception room, an ex-ray room, two examina-
tion rooms, a laboratory and in the back portion, 10 cages and
four inside cement runs, fenced in and supplied with exhaust
fans. The runs are completely contained and nothing on the
IL: outside. At the present place I am working at, there are
residences within thirty feet and in the five years I've been
there, no complaints have been received and there is no odor
of any kind. Some veterinary hospitals are not kept up. With
the present day exhaust fans I do not see why there wou ld
be any odor.
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Mr. Pasanen: There is no air-conditioning. What happens in the summer?
Dr. Strong: This building is stt up for air-conditioning.
**Mr. Greene arrived at approximately 8:10 p.m.
Mr. Angevine: Are you planning on air-conditioning?
Dr. Strong: Yes, but not at the present time.
Mr. Robinson: I would like to suggest that Mr. McCullough meet with Dr. Strong
and that they investigate one of present day veterinarys.
Mrs. J. Lucas, 18658 Beech Daly Rd., Redford: I have worked with Dr. Strong
for two years and in that time we have received no complaints
about noise or odor from the dogs. This area in Livonia needs
a good veterinary. There are very few in Livonia.
Mr. Anderson: Dr. Strong stated there would be exhaust fans blowing out. I feel
there would have to be a deordorizing system. It is the exhaust
fans that the people are objecting to.
Dr. Strong: Yes, the exhaust fans would be blowing outside but there also
will be a means of deordoizing.
Mr. Angevine: This item will be taken under advisement until Mr. McCullough
and Dr. Strong can investigate other veterinarys.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition M-184 by the Clarence-
ville Methodist Church requesting permission to hold tent meetings during the
month of July from 7/1/60 to 7/31/60 located on the Southeast corner of Middlebelt
Road and Morlock in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 1.
Mr. Clifton Miracle, 21724 Roosevelt, Farmington was pres nt for the petitioner,
Elsie A. Johns, Minister for the Clarenceville Methodist Church.
Mr. Walker: Is this the same area you had your tent meetings before?
Mr. Miracle: No. We have not had any tent meetings here before. You are
probably referring to the Baptist Church who had tent meetings
on Middlebelt and Jamison.
Mr. Albert J.Sikora, 29281 Morlock: I object to the tent meetings being located
in that area all summer. Why are they holding the meetings here?
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
Mr. Okerstrom: Is this for one month or all summer?
Mr. Miracle: It is for only the month of July
Mr. Anderson: Will there be night time gatherings?
1[4m Mr. Miracle: I could not say for myself. Perhaps Rev. Johns could answer
that question.
Mr. Angevine: Where is the church located?
Mr. Miracle: On Grand River and Collingham in Farmington.
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1E: Mr. Anderson: I would like to know if there will be night meetings and *bather
or not there will be lights, etc.
Rev. Elsie Johns: The meetings will be in the evenings, on week nights, except
on Saturday and Sunday. It is a large piece of property. I am
not sure just where the tent will be located but I do not see why
it would have to be right behind someone's property when we have
so much area.
Mr. Greene: The question was asked why the tent meetings should be held in this
area.
Mr. Miracle: Our reason is to reach the people in this community.
Mr. Greene: You will not be holding meetings in your other church?
Mr. Miracle: Yes, on Sundays.
Mr. Anderson: Is this a revival?
Mr. Miracle: Yes, evangelistic revivals.
Mr. Okerstrom: Could the tent be located less harmful to the surrounding property
owners who objected?
Mr. Miracle explained to the commissioners where the tent is to be located as shown
on the area plan submitted with the petition.
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Mr. Kane: I would like to know how late these services will be held.
Mr. Miracle: Approximately between 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
Mr. Harsha: Is there any guarantee that there would not be too much noise
so as to bother the neighbors? And if they can control the
volume of noise, I do not see any personal objection.
Mr. Robinson: Is there any definite answer on the question of a loudspeaker?
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
#2-17-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, February 16, 1960 the City Planning Commission does
hereby grant Petition M-184 by the Clarenceville MethodistChurch
requesting permission to hold tent meetings during the month of
July from 7/1/60 to 7/31/60 located on the Southeast corner of
Middlebelt Road and Morlock in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 1, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service.
IL Mr. Robinson: I would like to know definitely if there is going to be a loud-
speaker or not.
Rev. Johns: There will be no loudspeaker outside. There will be a sounding
board above the speaker inside. There will also be singing,
an organ and a piano. We sincerely hope it will be a source
of benefit and not objectionable to anyone.
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If: A roll call vote on Resolution #2-17-60 resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom, Kane
and Angevine
NAYS: None
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: Petition M-185 by John E. Veltman requesting permission to
construct an automobile sales lot on the South side of Plymouth Road between Deering
and Harrison, known as 28125 Plymouth Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 36.
Mr. Vincent Veltman, petitioner and Mr. Keith B. Trace, Jr., attorney were present.
Mr. Angevine: This will be a used car salesrccm
Mr. Trace: Yes.
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
Mr. R. D. Merrill, 28170 N. Clements Drive: I am not in complete objection to
this, however I would like to find something out. Is this car
lot to be between the Redwood Bar and the Beef House?
Mr. Angevine: Yes.
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Mr. Merrill: I would like to know how close the building would be to the
back fence?
Mr. Trace: It is planned to keep it 100 ft. from the back of the lot.
Mr. Merrill: Do you plan to store used parts behind this building?
Mr. Trace: No.
Mr. MerrUl: I would like to find out if there will be plumbing facilities.
Mr. Trace: Yes, complete plumbing facilities because there will be five
offices in the building.
Mr. Merrill: Would there be a greenbelt between this property and our lot?
It is in our contract that there should be but many of the
commercial businesses have not abided by it.
Mr. Trace: We will follow with what has been done.
Mr. Angevine: I have been given a petition from Mr. Trace which contains 14
signatures of property owners who do not object to the proposed
use of this lot.
l[mi Mr. Okerstrom: Is this petitioner aware of the masonry wall which will be
required at the rear of the lot?
Mr. Veltman: No, we are not aware of it.
Mr. Trace: As stated in the petition we want to comply with every ordinance
of the City.
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1[40 Mr. Okerstrom: What about the lights? How high and where will they shine?
Mr. Veltman: Lights will be 14 ft. high and reflected away from the houses.
Mr.Walker: I presume that the wall will be erected since it is mandatory
and that the building will be built as shown on plan.
I would like to make a motion.
Mr. Okerstrom: Will there be a bond posted for the protective wall? Sometimes
these walls are held up from spring to spring. I suggest a cash
bond that the wall will be erected.
Mr. McCullough: Will the parking area be surfaced with bituminous asphalt?
Mr. Trace: Ultimately, yes.
Mr. Hugh Wood, Jr. 10020 Seltzer: I believe the easement at the back is owned
by the prcperty owners of the residential area.
Mr. Pinto: The ordinance is written for the easement line and not the
property line.
Mr. Robinson: Mr. Pinto, will it be necessary to establish a bond for the
protective wall?
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Mr. Pinto: The only purpose of the bond is to guarantee the construction
of the wall in the event that it is not erected at the time
the business is started. If they operate their business and
promise to erect it later, then that would be the purpose of
the bond. I would suggest a cash bond.
Mr. Trace: If the wall is erected at the same time then the ordinance
doesn't provide for a bond?
Mr. Pinto: There would be no purpose for a bond if you erect it at the
same time.
Mr. Robinson: Will they be able to operate without the protective wall being
completed?
Mr. Pinto: If they do, it would be up to the Bureau of Inspection to inform
the City Clerk that they have not complied with the ordinance,
and therefore, no license can be issued.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker:
#2- -60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, February 16, 1960 the City Planning Copmission does
hereby grant Petition M-185 of John E. Veltman requesting per-
IL mission to construct an automobile sales lot on the South side
of Plymouth Road between Deering and Harrison, known as 28125
Plymouth Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 36, subject,
however, to the following:
(1) That a cash bond be established in the event that the pro-
tective wall has not been erected at the time the building per-
mit is issued,
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IL: (2) That the applicant erect his proposed building as near to the
rear of the lot as the zoning ordinance permits;
(3) That in order to insure sufficient off-street parking the
applicant agrees that none of his used cars will be parked nearer
than 100 feet from the center line of Plymouth Road
Mr. Trace: The value of this lot would be the display of the cars. The last
condition would be a handicap for the business. There will be
adequate parking facilities for customers. At the present time
there are "No Parking" signs on Plymouth in front of our lot.
Mr. Harsha: The Redwood Bar is set back quite a distance and I don't think
Mr. Walker is asking too much requesting the 100 ft.
Mr. Robinson: However, if they have off-street parking elsewhere on the lot,
I do not see why they should be jeopardized in this way.
Mr. Harsha: The ordinance states that no building can be set closer than
40 ft. from the property line and while this does apply to the
building, I believe the intent was that it applies to the
business more than the building proper.
Mr. Pinto: I have to point out that there is another ordinance which
specifically deals with the regulating and licensing of
used car lots (Ordinance #213), and to the best of my
knowledge I believe that ordinance provides that used car
lots can park their cars within 4 feet of the lot line.
Mr. Anderson: I think we could work out the maximum number of cars allowed
on that lot and get the off-street parking from that angle.
Mr. McCullough: There is a tendency to have pa allel parking on Plymouth and
I think it is primarily because there is no room.
Mr. Pinto: In respect to used car lots, the City Planning Commission should
review the regulatory ordinance and recommend that certain changes
be made and this would apply to all used car lots.
Mr. Walker: I am confused, we denied another used car lot because there
wasn't sufficient set back. I feel we should be consistent.
If we agree on a 40 ft. set back, this should apply to all
petitions.
Mr. Angevine: The ordinance provides for that.
Mr. Harsha: It would make no difference, if we decide on a set-back it should
be like that. They only get their permit when it is approved by
us. Mr. Pinto, right?
Mr. Pinto: The law is this. If the Planning Commission adopts a resolution
1[10 to approve and attaches conditions on the resolution, and sub-
sequently one of the conditions is violated you cannot take them
to court for violating the condition. You can only take them
to court for violating a law.
If the Planning Commission feels there should be other regulatory
measures in the present ordinance, they should recommend these
to the City Council and have them incorporated into the used
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car lot regulatory ordinance.
IL: Mr. Anderson: I think we should take this item under advisement.
Mr. Walker: I agree, we should take this under advisement until we can
establish a uniform agreement with this commission what we
are going to do. I do not want this to be a snap judgment.
I withdraw my motion to approve.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson and supported by Mr. Kane, it was
42- -60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, February 16, 1960 the City Planning Commission does hereby
grant Petition M-185 by John E. Veltman requesting permission to
construct an automobile sales lot on the South side of Plymouth Road
between Deering and Harrison, in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 36,
subject, however, to the following:
(1) That the lighting be reflected away from the residences ;
(2) That the petitioner must provide off-street parking for
ten (10) automobiles;
Mr. Harsha: We are doing what the attorney has warned us against.
Mr. Pinto: You are creating, in my opinion, a difficult problem. How will
you find out if the conditions are being carried out?
Mr. Robinson: I realize this.
Mr. Greene: I would like to know how thane (in resolution) provisions compare
with the ones in the existing ordinance.
Mr. Pinto: If you will permit me, I will go and get my copy of the ordinance.
I do not have it with rle.
Mr. Pinto was excused at this time to obtain the ordinance.
Mr. Pinto on his return read the regulatory ordinance on used car lots.
Mr. Pinto: The only provision for lights is in the Misdemeanor ordinance.
Mr. Walker: I would like to make an amendment to the resolution made by Mr.
Robinson.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker, supported by Mr. Okerstrom, the following
amendment was made:
(1) That in order to insure sufficient off-street parking the applicant
agrees that roue of his used cars will be parked nearer than 100 feet
from the center line of Plymouth; and
(2) that a cash bond be established in the event that the protective
wall has not been erected at the time the building permit is issued.
Mr. Greene: Will this conflict with the provisions of the ordinance.
Mr. Pinto: The language of the resolution is clear and the language of
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If: the ordinance is clear. If the Commission has any general
regulatory requirments that should be in the used car
ordinance they should be put into it. I would object to this
resolution.
Mr. Walker: Since the petitioner has agreed to these conditions tonight,
is it a threat to the existing ordinances Since they have agreed
to these conditions, I feel that it is legal.
A roll call vote on the amendment to the resolution made by Mr. Robinson resulted
in the following:
AYES: Walker, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom, and Kane
NAYS: Greene, Robinson and Angevine
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the amendment is adopted.
Mr. Angevine asked for a roll call on the resolution made by Mr. Robinson, sup-
ported by Mr. Kane and which was amended by a motion made byMr. Walker and supported
by Mr. OKerstrom, said resolution reading as follows:
#2-18-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, February 16, 1960 the City Planning Commission does hereby
grant Petition M-185 by John E. Veltman requesting permission to
construct an automobile sales lot on the South side of Plymouth Road
between Deering and Harrison, known as 28125 Plymouth Road in the
Northeast 1/4 of Section 36, subject, however, to the following:
(1) That the lighting be reflected away from the residences;
(2) That the petitioner must provide off-street parking for
ten (10) automobiles;
(3) That in order to insure sufficient off-street parking the
applicant agrees that none of his used cars will be parked
nearer than 100 ft. from the center line of Plymouth Road; and
(4) That a cash bond be established in the event that the pro-
tective wall has not been erected at the time the building
permit is issued, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following;
AYES: Walker, Robinson, Okerstrom, Kane and Angevine
NAYS: Greene, Harsha and Anderson
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried, therefore the foregoing resolution is adopted.
I[: Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition M-186 by Walter Hall
requesting permission to erect a neon sign (15' x 16') located on the South side
of Plymouth Road between Hubbell and Middlebelt, known as 30805 Plymouth Road
in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 35.
Mr. Walter Hall and Mr. Sam Elias were present.
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
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IC: Mr. McCullough: The question has been raised as to whether or not this matter
should be before the City Planning Commission.
Mr. Pinto: This same question has come up in the past and our department
has ruled in writing that where the lot exceeds four thousand
square feet in area, the Planning Commission has no jurisdiction,
unless the ordinance has been amended.
Mr. Angevine: I believe the letter was forwarded from the Mayor's office.
Mr. Pinto: I have discussed this with the City Attorney and we are in
agreement that this ordinance as written that approval is needed
by the City Planning Commission only for commercial lots which
are 4,000 sq. ft. or less in area.
If this area in question is C-2 and the lot is more than 4,000
sq. ft. in area I do not think you have jurisdiction.
Mr. Robinson: If we have no jurisdiction and the Inspection Bureau refuses to
give a permit to the petitioner, where does this petitioner go?
Mr. Pinto: In front of the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Mr. Walker: As I understand it, this petition should never have come before
this commission.
L Mr. Robinson: Perhaps the Planning Commission should forward a letter to the
Bureau of Inspection informing them that we have no jurisdiction
on signs on an area more than 4,000 sq. ft.
Mr. Pinto: I thought that they were aware of this.
Mr. Greene: In your opinion then, if the area is over 4,000 sq. ft. there is
no limitation as to the size of the sign?
Mr. Pinto: Yes, that is the way I would interpret the ordinance unless you
have amended the ordinance.
Mr. McCullough: There was an amendment to the ordinance but the City Council
did not approve it. What do you suggest we do with this
petition?
Mr. Pinto: I would' suggest you remove it from the ajenda.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, supported by Mr. Okerstrom, it was
#2-19-60 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby remove
Petition M-186 by Walter Hall requesting permission to erect
1[40 a neon sign (15 ' x 16') located on the South side of Plymouth
Road between Hubbell and Middlebelt in the Northwest 1/4 of
Section 35, from the agenda for the reason that the Planning
Commission does not have any jurisdiction to act on said
petition due to area involved containing more than 4000 sq. ft.
Mr. Harsha: There is one other matter, the height of the sign is limited
to 35 ft.
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Mr. Hall: Am I to understand, I go back to the Bureau27of Inspection?
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Mr. Pint..: If they do not change their minds, I suggest you go before the
Zoning Board of Appeals.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Okerstrom, Kane and Angevine
NAYS: Harsha and Anderson
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried, therefore the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
fir. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition Z-433 by the City
Planning Commission on its own motion to determine whether or not the zoning
classification of property presently zoned R1B in the Northeast and Northwest 1/4
of Section 31 should be rezoned to R 1 A.
Mr. G. Wilson of the Greenwich Pointe Civic Association, 38556 Orangelawn, was
present in relation to this petition.
Mr. McCullough: We received a letter from Mr. Wilson and Mr. R. E. Camron, Presi-
dent of the civic association requesting this change. The
advertising stated the Northwest and Northeast 1/4 of Section
31. But only the area which contains Ann Arbor Trail Subdivision
#2 and Gawron Subdivision is being considered tonight. Mr.
Gawron, developer of the Gawron Subdivision, has stated no
objection to the petition since all his homes have 1100 sq. ft.
or more in them.
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
Mr. Harsha: Mr. Pinto, do we have a legal right to do this?
Mr. Pinto: Yes. You are changing the classification from a "B" to an "A",
As I understand it. You can always approve a smaller portion
than what was advertised.
Mr. Wilson, 38556 Orangelawn: We have requested this because of the vacant lots
not owned by the subdivider.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Robinson and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-20-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Petition Z-433 as submitted by the City Planning Commission on
its own motion for a change of zoning in the Northeast and North-
west 1/4 of Section 31 from R 1 B to R 1 A, the City Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition
Z-433 be granted in relation to the Ann Arbor Trail Subdivision #2
1[0 in the Northwes t 1/4 of Section 31 and the Gawron Subdivision in
the Northeast 1/4 of Section 31 only,from R 1 B to R 1 A for the
following reason:
(1) All existing houses are at least 1,000 sq. ft. or more in area,
and
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IIFURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in the
1 official newspaper, the Livonian, under date of January 27, 1960
and notice of which hearing was sent to The Detroit Edison Co. ,
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co., Michigan Bell Telephone Co. , The
Consumers Power Co., City Departments and as listed on the Proof
of Service.
kr. Kane: I am still concerned why only these two subdivisions?
Mr. McCullough: I Have not checked the other areas as yet. This can be brought
up later if necessary.
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried, therefore the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is a petition by the City Planning
Commissio8 on its own motion to determine whether or not Part I of the Master Plan
of the City of Livonia, that is, the Master Thoroughfare Plan, should be amended
so as to relocate Harrison Avenue in the South 1/2 of Section 24.
Mr. McCullough: The Gordon-Begin Park Subdivision in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 24 was given preliminary approval subject to amending
the Master Thoroughfare Plan to relocate Harrison Avenue. This
is reason for the public hearing.
A plot plan showing the proposed relocation and the present location of Harrison
ILAvenue was submitted to the commission members for investigation.
Mr. Angevine: Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak?
Mr. McCullough: I would like to suggest that this item be taken under advise-
ment in order to study it further at a study meeting.
Mr. Angevine: This item will be taken under advisement.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Ckerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
#2-21-60 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby adjourn
the Public Hearing at approximately 9:25 p.m. on Tuesday,
February 16, 1960.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Marsha, Okerstrom, Anderson,
Kane and Angevine
NAYS: None
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. Angevine called the 112th Regular Meeting to order at approximately 9:26 p.m.
with all those present now who were present at the time the public hearing was
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adjourned.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is Petition M-183 by Wm. J. Krause
on behalf of Redford Livonia Dad's Club, Inc., requesting permission to operate
a private park on the west side of Inkster Road and East of Cardwell, approximately
400' north of Joy Road on Lots M-53 through 64 in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 36.
Public Hearing 1/19/60, item taken under advisement; study meeting 2/2/60. Mr.
Peacock, who is hospitalized has forwarded a letter to the commission in- 2763
dicating that he feels this petition should be denied because it conflicts with
sub-section (j), Section 5.06, Article 5.00.
j Mr. McCullough: Since the last meeting was held, the petitioner has filed a
petition signed by approximately 600 persons who do not
object to the private park.
Mr. Walker: Have you established the location of the people who signed the
petition you mention?
Mr. McCullough: No.
Mr. Anderson: Do the property owners who orignally objected to petition still
object or are some of them included in the 600 signatures?
It was determined the property owners who objected at the public hearing are still
objecting to the proposed use of property in petition.
Mr. Walker: I would like to know bow many people in the audience object to
the private park.
There were approximately 75 persons in the audience who objected to the proposed
use of this property.
Mr. Angevine: Are thPra any more questions, commissioners?
Mr. Greene: While I am in complete sympathy with the recreational needs of
the city I feel that it should come under the Parks & Recreation
Department of the City of Liaoaia and not under a private party.
IL: Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene, supported by Mr. Robinson, it was
#2-22-60 RESOLVED that, after due consideration of Petition M-183 dated
January 4, 1960, filed by William 3. Krause, 9920 Garvett for
permission to operate a private park on parcels described as the
West 500 feet of Parcels M-53 through 64, inclusive, in the Southeast
1/4 of Section 36, and a public hearing having been called and held
on January 19, 1960 after proper notice in regard to such petition,
the City Planning Commission does hereby deny the said Petition M-183
and the request contained therein for the following reasons:
(1) That investigation, careful con sideration of the comments
made at the aforementioned public hearing and a study of the
location and scope of the proposed use in relation to adjoining
properties and uses has indicated it is more than likely that
the proposed would cause great annoyance and discomfort and
interfere with the peaceful use and enjoyment of surrounding and
abutting residences;
(2) That the proposed ise would be inconsistent with, detrimental
and injurious to the surrounding neighborhood and would block the
natural and planned development of the immediate area;
(3)That, as stated in the report of the Department of Public Works
dated February 2, 1960, the proposed use would aggravate an already
existing storm water drainage problem, and
(4) That the petitioner has not indicated what, if an, provisions
have been made for safeguards and supervision in connection with
the operation of the proposed use to insure the safety of the
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many children that would visit and use the proposed facilities.
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to
property owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments
as listed in the Proof of Service.
A roll call vote on the foregdn g resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Hersha, Okerstrom, Kane and
Angevine
NAYS: None
NOT VOTING: Anderson
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried, therefore, the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
Mr. Angevine called a recess at approximately 9:35 p.m.
Mr. Angevine called the regular meeting back to order at approximately 9:45 p.m.
with all those present now who were present at the time recess was called.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, supported by Mr. Okerstrom and unanimously
adopted:
#2-23-60 RESOLVED that, puzsuant to a Public Hearing having been held
on Tuesday, October 20, 1959 on Petition Z-420 as submitted
by the City Planning Commission to determine whether or not
Section 4.45 of Article 4.00 of the Zoning Ordinance of the
City of Livonia should be amended, the City Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition Z-420
be approved for the reason that it is the language originally
recommended to the City Council dealing with materials from which
protective walls are to be constructed, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, nbtice of the above hearing was published
in the official newspaper, The Livonian, under date of
October 1, 1959 and notice of which hearing was sent to The
Detroit Edison Company, Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Company,
Michigan Bell Telephone Company, The Consumers Power Co.,
City Departments and petitioner as listed in the Proof of
Service.
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried, therefore, the foregoing resolution is
adopted.
Mr. McCilloigh: The next item on the agenda is a petition by the City Planning
Commission on its own motion to determine whether or not Part I of the Master Plan
of the City of Livonia, the Master Thoroughfare Plan, should be amended to re-
locate Wayne Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 28. Public hearing 12/15/59,
item taken under advisement; study meeting 2/2/60.
Mr. McCullough: We have had meetings with the Wayne County Department and the
Civic Association and we have been informed that the State can not
vary the road south of Plymouth due to the fact that they have already
purchased property south of Plymouth.
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Mr. l ngevine: Is it mechanically feasiable to change it from we have proposed
Mr. McCillosgh: No, it cannot be altered.
Mr. Robinson: It should be understood that it may take ten or twelve years before
this road is constructed.
Mr. Walker: We have gone as far as we can and we are satisfying approximately
957., of the people in the area.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Walker, supported by Mr. Robinson and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-24-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to the provisions of Act 285 of the Public
Acts of Michigan, 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission
of the City of Livonia having duly held a public hearing on Tuesday,
December 15, 1959 for the purpose of amending Part I of the Master
Plan of the City of Livonia, entitled, "Master Thoroughfare Plan",
the dame is hereby amended so that the relocation of Wayne Road in
Section 28, City of Livonia, should designate the center line thereof
to read as follows:
The centerline of a proposed right-of-way (120' wide) existing
in the S. W. 1/4 of Section 28, City of Livonia, T. 1 S. , R. 9 E.,
Wayne County, Michigan, being more particularly described as
follows:
Beginning at a point on the North line of Plymouth Road distant
E. 1326' and North 86' from the W. 1/4 corner of Section 28, City
of Livonia, T. 1 S. , R. 9 E. , Wayne County, Michigan and proceeding
on a curve concave to the left (radius,-1000' , tangent=385.70' and
delta=42°11 ') 736.22 feet; thence on a curve concave to the right
(radius=1000', tangent=385.70' and delta=42°11 ') 736.22 feet to the
W. line of Parcel Klb (intersection point at E. 808' and N. 1343' from
the W. 1/4 corner of Section 28) located in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 28, City of Livonia, T. 1 S. , R. 9 E., Wayne County, Michigan;
thence N. along the W. line of said parcel to the Chesapeake & Ohio
Railroad,
and having given proper notice of such hearing as required by Act
825 of 1931, as amended, the City Planning Commission of the City
of Livonia does hereby adopt said amendment as part of the Master
Thoroughfare Plan of the City of Livonia, which is incorporated
herein by reference, the same having been adopted by resolution of
the City Planning Commission under date of April, 1951, with all
amendments thereto; and further that this amendment shall be recorded
on said map by the identifying signatures of the chairman and
secretary of the commission and an attested copy shall be filed with
the City Council, City Clerk and the City Planning Commission; and
a copy shall also be forwarded to the Register of Deeds for the
11[: County of Wayne with the following certification contained thereon;
"We certify that the foregoing resolution was duly adopted at a
meeting of the City Planning Commission held on Tuesday, February
16, 1960 by the following vote:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom,
Kane and Angevine
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NAYS: None
I; Mr. Angevine: The motion is carted and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Anderson, supported by Mr. Walker, it was
#2-25-60 RESOLVED that, after due consideration of Petition ISS-182 dated
December 18, 1959 submitted by Al Oil, Inc. , 17852 Van Dyke,
Detroit, requesting permission to erect and operate a gasoline
station on the North side of Plymouth Road between Farmington
Road and Stark Road, the Planning Commission does hereby deny
said request for the following reasons:
(1) that the close proximity of the proposed use to existing
residences on immediately adjoining property will more than
likely interfere with the peaceful use, enjoyment and safety
of said adjoining uses,
(2)that the proposed use will diminish the marketable value
of adjacent lands and buildings; and
(3) that the location of the proposed station will increase
traffic, confusion, noise and congestion to an extent that
will adversely affect the purpose and objectives of the Master
Plan and the present use and planned use of ajoining properties,
and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property
1[110 owners within 500 feet, petitioner and City Departments as listed
in the Proof of Service.
The question was raised if the property involved is zoned for a gasoline station.
Mr. McCullough: Yes, it is.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom and
Kane
NAYS: Angevine
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on theagenda is Denmar Estates Subdivison submitted
by Sterling Homes, Inc. , located on the North side of Six Mile Road approximately
1300 ft. West of Wayne Road in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 8. Public hearing
12/15/59, item taken under advisement.
Mr. McCullough: Mr. Dembs, developer, has agreed to provide the cost of paving
the East half of Levan Road. The road as shown on the Master Thorough-
fare Plan is not located on his property but on a strip, 61 ft. wide.
immediately west of his proposed plat. He does not own this property.
This plat had been taken under advisement due to this 61 ft. strip
which lies between the proposed subdivision and Levan Road.
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There was a general discussion on whether or not it would be advisable to relocate
Levan Road or redo the complete plat.
Mr. Harsha: Can we accept his committment to pave one-half of Levan Road which
will have to be relocated?
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Mr. Pinto: You can give preliminary approval if the layout is satisfactory, and
the bond is acceptable.
Mr. Anderson: This bond you are posting, is this also for the price of the land?
Mr. Dembs: No, only for the paving of one-half of Levan Road.
Mr. Pinto: I do not feel you can require the bond as a condition of pre-
liminary approval, but if he offers the bond, you can accept it.
Mr. Harsha: As I understand it, he has offered the money without any pressure
on our part, and that we also take cognizance of the fact that he
has made this offer of his own free will and that a condition of
the preliminary approval be that the bond be posted.
Mr. Pinto: You can legally accept the bond but you cannot legally require it.
If you accept it, it should be held in trust by the City until
such time Levan Road is paved.
Mr. Greene: This all relies on the 61 ft. strip. How will it be possible for
the owner of this strip to ever use this small area. He will have
to purchase more property or sell it to a subdivider so that the
61 ft. strip can be used. Don't you feel that this proposed
plat should be held up until a decision is made?
Mr. Walker: This is a situation which I feel eventually the City Planning
Commission will have tc do something about. This could be a
situation that could be magnified elsewhere. I feel we should
11[: have time to find a useful use of this 61 ft . strip. A plot plan
could be provided which will emcompass the use of the strip into
the plat.
Mr. Greene: I agree with Mr. Walker.
Mr. McCullough: Why not take it under advisement and I will discuss this with
Mr. Hiltz and see where the drain should be relocated if it is
found necessary.
Mr. Walker: I suggest that a letter be written to the owner of the 61 ft. strip
and inform him of this. It would then give us a right to act.
Mr. Angevine: This item will be taken under advisement until Mr. McCullough has
discussed this further with Mr. Hiltz and the owner of the 61ft.
strip of property.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is a motion by the City Planning
Commission to hold a public hearing, pursuant to City Council's Resolution
#44-60, dated January 28, 1960, to determine whether or not Section 4.05 of Article
4.00 of the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No. 60 should be amended so as to include
Section 21 amongst those sections of theCity in which lots may be platted with an
area of 7200 sq. ft. , minimum width of 60 ft.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
#2-26-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to City Council's Resolution #44-60 and to
Section 20.01 of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia,
Zoning Ordinance No. 60, as amended, the City Planning Commission
at this time on its own motion does hereby provide for a Public
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Hearing to be held to determine whether or not Section 4.05 of
Article 4.00 of the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No.60 should
be amended so as to include Section 21 amongst those sections of
the City in which lots may be platted with an area of 7200 square
feet and a minimum width of 60 ft. , and
that a hearing be held and that notice be given as provided in
Section 20.01 of the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No. 60 of the
City of Livonia and that there shall be a report submitted and
recommendation thereon to the City Council.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom
Kane and Angevine
NAYS: None
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane, it was
#2-27-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to Section 20.01 of the Zoning Ordinance of
the City of Livonia, Zoning Ordinance No. 60 as amended, the City
Planning Commission at this time on its own motion does hereby
provide for a Public Hearing to be held to determine whether or
not Section 4.32 of Article 4.00 of Ordinance No. 60 should be
amended by adding thereto the following:
NOTWITHSTANDING the above, all single family dwellings erected
within the City of Livonia shall have at least eighty percent
(8070 of the area of the average of all the single family dwellings
in existence within three hundred (300) feet of the house sought
to be erected, and within the same type of zoning district; and
provided further that in no case shall any house be smaller than
one thousand (1000) equare feet in "A" areas or eight hundred
(800) square feet in "B" areas. The applicant for a building permit
shall provide a plot plan showing the size of all existing dwellings
within the required distance. Any misrepresentation as to these
matters shall be sufficient reason to deny a certificate of occupancy.
and that a hearing be held and that notice be given as provided in
Section 20.01 of the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No. 60 of the City
of Livonia and that there shall be a report submitted and recommendation
thereon to the City Council.
A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: Greene, Walker, Robinson, Harsha, Anderson, Okerstrom,
Kane and Angevine
NAYS: None
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
; Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is a motion by the City Planning
Commission to hold a public hearing to determine whether or not Article 11.50
should be added thereto the Zoning Ordinance, Ordinance No. 60 of the City of
Livonia, (C-3 District Regulations) .
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There was a brief discussion as to what uses should be included in the new ordinance.
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It was determined that this would be taken under (further advisement until the
1 ordinance is forwarded by the Department of Law.
Mr. McCullough: The next item on the agenda is a request from the Klopp
Engineering Company for advise on possible rezoning of their land on the South
side of Schoolcraft approximately 1900 ft. East of Levan in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 29.
A representative of the Klopp Engineering Company was present asking for advice
on whether or not it was advisable for him to file a petition to rezone their land
from RUFB to M-1. It appears that several years ago they filed a petition and was
denied for a similar request. The company has need for enlarging their plant and
they feel that unless they can enlarge the present plant, they may have to move
elsewhere outside of the City.
The Planning Commission suggested that Mr. Klopp initiate a petition in conjunction
with adjacent property owners to rezone this area from RUFB to M-1 and assured
him that their petition would be given due consideration.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane, supported by Mr. Robinson and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-28-60 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve
statements in the amount of $17.85 and $11.05 from The Livonian,
Inc. , and forwards same to the proper department for payment.
ILMr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Robinson, supported by Mr. Kane and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-29-60 RESOLVED that, the City Planning Commission does hereby approve
minutes for meetings held on January 12, 1960 and February 2,
1960 except for that member who was not present, he abstain
from voting.
Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane and unanimously
adopted, it was
#2-30-60 RESOLVED that, pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on
Tuesday, January 19, 1960 on Petition V-54 as submitted by
Carey Homes, Inc., for the vacating of the west two (2) feet of
the East six (6) feet of Lot #7, Bretton Gardens Colony Sub =
division in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 2, the City Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition V-54 be granted, the petitioner having forwarded
evidence that the two feet vacated has already been added to
the easement of the adjoining property owner of Lot #6, and
FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was published in
the official newspaper, The Livonian under da to of December 30,
1959 and notice of which hearing was sent to the Detroit Edison
Co., Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co. , Michigan Bell Telephone Co. ,
The Consumers Power Co. , City Departments, petitioner and
abutting property owners as listed in the Proof of Service.
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1191 Mr. Angevine: The motion is carried and the foregoing resolution is adopted.
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1 Mr. Harsha was excused at approximately 10:40 p.m. for the balance of the meeting.
Mr. McCullough: The next item cn the agenda is the sub-section in the ordinance
pertaining to the size of signs in commercial areas.
It was determined that this item would be taken under advisement for study at the
next study meeting.
Mr. McCullough: Mr. Koloff who has purchased the South half of the Merucci
Bros. Subdivision has asked that the Planning Commission determine whether or not
it will be necessary for him to ask for another public hearing on this portion-
of the former Merucci Bros. Subdivision. The original Merucci Bros. Subdivision
was given preliminary approval in October, 1958. According to the Subdivision
Rules and Regulations this plat has become null and void because no extension
was granted prior to the expiration date, October, 1959.
It was determined that another public hearing is necessary and Mr. Koloff was
informed that this would be held on Tuesday, March 1st, 1960.
Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Okerstrom, supported by Mr. Kane and unanimously
adopted, the 112th Regular Meeting was duly adjourned at approximately 10:50 p.m.
on Tuesday, February 16, 1960.
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onard K. Kane, Secretary
ATTESTED:
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R. L. Ang vine, Chdrman