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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1958-03-18 4114 MINUTES OF THE 89TH REGULAR MEETING AND A PUBLIC HEARING 1981 OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA On March 18, 1958 the above meeting was held by the City Planning Commis- ' sion of the City of Livonia at the City Hall , 33001 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan. Co-Chairman H. Paul Harsha called the public hearing to order at approximately 8:05 p.m . Members present : Dennis Anderson Fred A. Lotz Robert Greene W. Okerstrom Leonard Kane H. Paul Harsha R. L . Angevine Charles Walker Members absent : William R. Robinson Mr. Charles J. Pinto , Assistant City Attorney , was present along with four interested Persons . The secretary announced that the first item on the agenda was Petition M-104 by Walter T . Hall requesting permission to erect 9 '9 " x 13 ' (ap- proximately 130 sq.ft . ) porcelain enamel sign on 12 " steel pole at 14920 Middlebelt located on the East side of Middlebelt between Elsie and Jamieson in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 24 . Mr. Hall was present and was asked by Mr. Harsha what kind of business this sign was for. It was ascertained it was for the selling of garages and it was in a C-2 district , the area having a frontage of approximately 150 feet . Mr. Anderson asked if flashing lights would be used and Mr. Hall answered they would be on the order of running lights . Mr. Walker asked where sign would be hung; how many feet from the right- of-way . Mr. Hall stated sign would be 60 feet from center of road, nothing would hang over the sidewalk. It was to be a double faced sign. Members of Commission looked over the plan of the sign as presented by Mr. Hall. Mr. Walker asked if this business would be a permanent one or temporary. Mr. Hall answered it was not temporary , and owner has been in business quite a number of years . There was no further discussion at which time Mr . Walker made a motion that petition be approved and supported by Mr. Kane , it was #3-58-58 RESOLVED that , pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-104 by Walter T. Hall requesting permission to erect 9 '9" x 13 ' (approximately 130 sq.ft . ) porcelain- enamel sign on 12" steel pole at 14920 Middlebelt located on the East side of Middlebelt between Elsie and Jamieson in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 24 , and FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property owners within 500 feet , petitioner and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service . A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Greene , Okerstrom , Lotz , Walker, Kane NAYS: Anderson, Angevine , Harsha 44 1982 The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted. The Secretary announced the next item on the agenda was Petition M-105 by Walter T . Hall requesting permission to erect flat metal sign 3 ' x 15 ' (45 sq.ft . ) on front of building at 31685 Plymouth on the South side of Plymouth between Melrose and Auburndale in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 34. Mr. Hall representingthis petition also. Stated the thickness of this sign will be only 3/4 of an inch. Mr. Lotz asked if sign will be going on the building and Mr. Hall stated that it would be flush against the building . Mr. Walker asked if this was to be a neon sign and Mr. Hall answered only a painted sign. The Chairman asked if there were any more questions from the Commission. There were none at which time Mr. Angevine made a motion to approve the petition; it was supported by Mr. Okerstrom and unanimously carried, it was #3-59-58 RESOLVED that , pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-105 by Walter T . Hall requesting permission to erect flat metal sign 3 ' x 15 ' (45 sq.ft. ) on front of building at 31685 Plymouth on the South side of Plymouth between Melrose and Auburndale in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 34 , and FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property owners within 500 feet , petitioner and City Departments as listed in the Proof of Service . The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted. The Chair declared this was the conclusion of the public hearing . Mr. Lotz made a motion to have the public hearing adjourned, Mr. Kane sup- ported, and unanimously carried, it was #3-60-58 RESOLVED that , Public Hearing be adjourned at 8: 20 p.m . The Chairman called the 89th Regular Meeting to order at approximately 8:22 p.m. with all present who were present at the beginning of the Public Hearing. The secretary announced the next item on the agenda was Petition V-27 by Eugene D. and Carol L. Magee and Joseph A. and Mary Koenig asking that the 12 ' public utility easement situated on the South of Lot 38 and a por- tion of the South of Lot 39 , Storm and Fowler' s Country Crest Subdivision located on the Southwest corner of Eight Mile and Fremont Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 2 be vacated. Item taken under advisement at Public Hearing January 21 , 1958 . Mr. Walker asked if this was the same easement that had been before the commission or a new one . Mr. Angevine read the description of the old easement to be vacated and the description of the new easement to be relocated. Mr. Harsha asked if The Detroit Edison Company knew about the new ease- ment being only 9 ' wide . 449 1983 Mr. Lotz stated he felt that a 9 ' easement was not enough room for the utility companies to go through, that a 12 ' easement was in order. Mr. Harsha asked if the sewer was in the new location of the easement and it was ascertained that the new easement would be over the sewer. Mr. Anderson stated he thought that this new location and size of ease- ment should be sent to the Inspection Department , Detroit Edison Company and Michigan Bell Telephone Company in order to get their approval first. Mr. Lotz read paragraph in a pamphlet , "Easement Planning" by Detroit Edison and Michigan Bell Telephone Company requiring a 12 ' easement as satisfactory. Mr. Harsha felt that this letter should be sent to the Engineering De- partment for their recommendation of a 12 ' easement as stated in pamphlet . Mr. Kane stated he felt that the City of Livonia should not be bothered with it . Mr. Walker felt that any letter sent to Detroit Edison would give Com- mission information that could be used for any future relocation of easement . Mr. Okerstrom stated that letter should be written to petitioner instead of Detroit Edison. Mr. Angevine read letter written by the City Planning Commission, dated February 6, 1958 to the petitioners . Mr. Anderson stated his suggestion that a letter be sent to the Inspection Department was not right on second thought , that he believed Mr. Kane was correct that the petitioner should get the information we need in regard to the new easement . Mr. Angevine then read letter from the Engineering Department dated January 21 , 1958. Mr. Lotz withdrew his motion which Mr. Angevine had supported. Mr. Kane made a motion that this petition be tabled until the petitioner has obtained a letter from the public utilities and from our Department of Engineering stating that the new 9 ' easement they propose is satis- factory. Motion supported by Mr. Anderson. #3-61-58 RESOLVED that , Petition V-27 by Eugene D. and Carol L . Magee and Joseph A. and Mary Koenig asking that the 12 ' public utility easement situated on the South of Lot 38 and a portion of the South of Lot 39 , Storm and Fowler's Country Crest Subdivision located on the Southwest corner of Eight Mile Road and Fremont Avenue in the Northeast l/4 of Section 2 be vacated, be tabled until Petitioners have obtained approval from the public utilities and from the City of Livonia Engineering Department , that the new 9 ' easement is satisfactory . A roll call on the foregoing resulted in the following: AYES : Greene , Okerstrom, Anderson , Lotz , Walker , Kane , Angevine , Harsha NAYS: None ti 0 1984 The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted, and petition is tabled until such time Commission receive the proper information from the petitioners . The Secretary announced the next item on the agenda was Petition M-100 Plymouth Oil Company , R. M. Decker , President , requesting approval of the use of the following premises for a retail gasoline service station on the Southeast corner of Elsie Avenue and Middlebelt road in the North- west 1/4 of Section 24 . Item taken under advisement at Public Hearing March 4 , 1958. Mr. Walker stated that when the Commission had given approval to the gas station in this vicinity of the present petition, it was poor planning and to put another one in would also be poor planning but it seems we may have to approve this reluctantly. Asked for the advice of the City Attorney , Mr. Pinto . Mr. Pinto stated that the property is zoned commercial and gas stations are allowed in commercial area on approval of City Planning Commission. There are gas stations in area and property is not a suitable residential section. If you deny this petition, a good and sufficient reason must be given. The argument that there are too many gas stations is not a sufficient enough reason. Mr. Harsha felt that a gas station building would be very difficult to use for any other use if economic situations change and this gas sta- tion is closed up . Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Angevine to approve Petition M-100, supported by Mr. Lotz , it was #3-62-58 RESOLVED that , pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held on March 4 , 1958, the City Planning Commission does hereby grant Petition M-100 by Plymouth Oil Company, R. M . Decker, President requesting approval of the use of the following premises for a retail gasoline service station on the South- east corner of Elsie Avenue and Middlebelt road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 24 , and FURTHER RESOLVED, notice of the above hearing was sent to property owners within 500 feet , petitioner and City De- partments as listed in the Proof of Service . A roll call on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Green , Okerstrom , Lotz , Walker, Kane , Angevine NAYS: Anderson, Harsha The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted. The Secretary announced the next item on the agenda was Petition Z-252 by Arnold Ranzenberger, President , Livonia Development asking for a change of zoning classification on Parcels 29K1a9 , 29K1a4 to 29K1a9 located on the South side of Schoolcraft Road approximately 600 feet East of Newburgh Road in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 29 be changed from RUFB to P and M-l. Public Hearing January 21 , 1958 at which time item was taken under advisement . Mr. Charest was present and asked how far the RUFB extended in that area . Pair. Kane answered 402 feet was RUFB . Mr. Charest then stated that meant 451 19 85 that 46 ' of the property in question was M-2 in the back. He asked if he could orally amend his petition to read, "that the north 200 feet be zoned parking, south 100 feet of the north 300 feet be M-i , leaving 202 feet for the right-of-way . Mr. Harsha asked if he would change it to read, "that the south 200 ' of the North 302 feet includes the right-of-way , be rezoned from RUFB to P; the south 100 feet of the north 402 feet be rezoned from RUFB to M-1 . Mr. Walker stated that they wished to keep 300 ft . from Schoolcraft be- cause it was planned to have the industrial road 300 ft . from Schoolcraft . We need 250 ft . south of Schoolcraft for the expressway and service drive . This petitioner has a good size piece of property and it seems that we should be able to work something out to fit the overall master plan of the site. Mr. Angevine asked if this 300 ft . in question was the present Schoolcraft or the proposed expressway; Mr. Walker stated it was the present School- craft . Mr. Walker also stated that the recent setback requirement of 75 ft . was to coordinate with the Regional Planning thinking for the future use of Schoolcraft . Mr. Lotz asked for the size of the area involved in this petition and it was determined by Mr. Charest that it was 450 feet in depth by 328 feet in width. Mr. Walker asked that the petitioner revise his petition to read that 250 feet be left RUFB and rezone 50 ft . to M-l . Mr. Charest agreed. Mr. Walker then made the motion that this petition be taken under advise- ment . Mr. Lotz supported the motion. Mr. Greene asked why petition couldn 't be amended orally , Mr. Charest stating it was agreeable to him if the Chair would allow it . Mr. Walker answered he had made the motion in thisway because he felt that he would like to discuss this a little further with the Committee that is meeting on this problem. #3-63-58 RESOLVED, that Petition Z-252 be taken under advisement until Petition has been revised and amended. A roll call vote on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Greene , Okerstrom , Anderson , Lotz , Walker, Kane , Angevine , Harsha NAYS: None The Chair declared the foregoing resolution adopted. Mr. Charest stated he will send in the amended petition in a few days. The Secretary announced the next item was approval of Mr. Albe Munson 's statement for the month of February , 1958. Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Kane , supported by Mr. Angevine and unani- mously carried, it was 1986 #3-64-58 RESOLVED that , Mr. Munson ' s statement for the month of February in the amount of $173.52 be forwarded to the proper department for payment . The Chair declared the foregoing resolution adopted. The meeting was adjourned for recess at approximately 9 : 30 p.m. The Chairman called the meeting to order at approximately 9 :40 p.m . with all present who were present at the beginning. The Secretary announced the next item on the agenda was Petition Z-255 Sam Lederman , Mid-West Builders asking for a change of zoning classi- fication on parcel of land located between Joy Road and Ann Arbor Trail , approximately 1550 feet west of Wayne Road and situated in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 32 be changed from R-1 to R-3 . Taken under advisement February 18 , 1958. Mr. Angevine read letter from Mr. Sam Lederman received in our office March 14 , 1958 stating that he wished petition be withdrawn. Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Lotz that petition be withdrawn, sup- ported. by Mr. Kane , and unanimously carried, it was #3-65-58 RESOLVED that , Petition Z-255 Sam Lederman, Mid-West Builders asking for a change of zoning classification on parcel of land located between Joy Road and Ann Arbor Trail , approximately 1550 feet West of Wayne Road and situated in the Southeast 1/4 of Section 32 be changed from R-1 to R-3 , be withdrawn as requested by Mr. Sam Lederman . The Chairman declared the foregoing resolution adopted and petition Z-255 is withdrawn . The Secretary announced the next item on the agenda was the report from the Off-Street Parking Committee . Mr. Anderson stated that the Committee has had two meetings with the representative of the Traffic Commission and they are now working on the final report which will be available at a future meeting. Mr. Walker asked Mr . Angevine to read article in Zoning Bulletin which he thought would be interesting due to the industrial road question . Upon a motion duly made by Mr. Greene , supported by Mr. Angevine , the 89th Regular Meeting was adjourned at approximately 9 :50 p .m. R , L . Angeviyle , Secretary ATTESTED: H . Paul Harsha, Chairman pro tem