HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 1951-04-04 157
MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SPECIAL MEETING
OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
A public hearing and special meeting of the Planning Commission of
the City of Livonia were held on April 4, 1951 at 33110 rive Mile
Road, Livonia, Michigan.
Members present: George Bentley Clarence Jahn
Helen Byers Robert MacIntyre
Edwin Conway Walter Russell
Dallas Hay
Members absent: Harold Bower Carson Johnston
Also present were Wm. Brashear, City Attorney and Maloomb Waring,
Planning consultant.
The meeting was called to order at 8 P.M. by Chairman George Bentley,
and Helen Byers, Secretary, read Petition #24 (A & B) to vacate
alley in Golden xlidge Subdivision.
Petitioners John H. Kaiser and Edith Woods were present.
Chairman Bentley asked if anyone wanted to give reasons why alley
should not be closed. There were no objections by members present.
Chairman Bentley made the recommendation that the alley be closed.
Miss Byers read Petition #25 - Anna B. Slapinskas. nandall C. Kohler,
Attorney, representing Anna Slapinskas, stated that his clients were
trying to get the zoning changed to conform with building restric-
tions. His clients desired to use the large house in question for
business, but if this were not possible, perhaps they would turn it
into a two-family flat.
The Chairman asked if there were objections to this change.
Mr. Chas. Kumon, 16854 tougeway Drive , appeared against the change,
stating that before 1945 a lot of trouble developed and the sheriff
was called to this location all of the time because the dwelling was
used as a roadhouse. He would rather leave it as it is now. He wants
no business places to corrupt the surrounding residences.
Mr. and Mrs. Mynatt, 27605 W 6 Mile 1d. , announced that they wanted
to conform with what Mr. Rumon said.
Mrs. xohrscheib , 16835 Itougeway, also wanted to go on record as con-
forming to the same things as stated by Mr. Rumon.
The secretary then read the following 2 letters that were presented
at the hearing;
"We are definitely against changing the restrictions on Lots
#147 and #148 from residential to business. This is strictly a
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residential neighborhood and we would like to have it remain that
way.
Harold and Alice Beamer
16863 xougeway Drive "
"As owners of house and Lot #144, Parkwood Sub. at above
address, we protest any change of restrictions on Lots #146-147-
148-149 Parkwood Sub.
We live directly behind these lots and have been paying taxes
on house and lot #144 for 11 years and cannot see why restrictions
should be changed at this late date.
This is a nice community in a nice city and we intend to do
all in our power to keep it that way. The only thing we can do is
vote NO on any proposal to change restrictions in our neighborhood.
Respectfully yours,
Dewey and Muriel Moore."
' Mr. Kohler advised that his petitioners were not seeking to change
the claseiftoaco�orm tonrestrictionsorm to dinand theng creadsthehsubdwanted
the zoning to
restrictions from owner's abstract.
Mrs. Mynatt : I understand that the zoning board had rezoned as
residential district that section. I believe at the time they under-
stood the abstract. I believe the people that bought in therere would
like to have it remain as such. Leave zoning stand as is.
that if it were changed to a business, we would have to go through
the same as the neighbors went through 8 or 9 years ago.
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Mr. O'Connor stated that it was all residential in there. r'urther
that a roadhouse could be made of the house again, if sold.
Mr.
l Kohler
stated
andthat
that didn'tclients
wanted to first work, they would like to for
to makebusiness
classification
two-family flat.
Chairman Bentley asked for further comments either for or against
Petition #25. There were none.
Miss Byers then read Petition #27 - David Newman and Sarah Newman
requesting that Zoning Ordinance #7 be amended by changing classi-
fication
lassi-
fication from its present A-1 to C-1.
Mr. 1. Wilson, Attorney, stated that his clients had purchased this
property for business purposes and had secured an attorney's opinion
and said it could be used for WQ$tn�sthishere is a property to beeor ohsngedweld-
ing shop which borders on the � Road on both
Land also up to that intersection all along Plymouth
sides is business property. Part of this road, he said, has been re-
zoned by your Board for business purposes. We would like to have a
modern business store and would be willing to have the store approved
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by the Planning Commission. We are willing to provideparking
facilities to relieve congestion and are willing to provide a 40
foot easement to the county on Newburg Road side.
Mr. Wilson then submitted some photographs of the property involved.
Mr. A. A. Campbell, representing the hoard of Wayne County road
Commissioners, was opposed. "We very definitely believe the estab-
lishment of retail business at this corner would create a hazard to
the park and very definitely believe that it would be undesirable to
have any egress ."
Mr. Bentley asked whether they intend to build a business estab-
lishment using Plymouth Road side entirely, as the county particu-
larly objects to any drive-in or out onto the parkway.
Mr. Wilson did not state definitely what kind of business would be
opened, but did state that it would be a restaurant or a super mar-
ket or something of use to the community and adequate parking space
would be provided.
Mrs. Margaret Hoffert, 37560 Plymouth Road: "I live directly across
from the property and we have only one form of business and that has
been there longer than we are old. There is no business for a mile ;
the rest is all residential. The already mentioned property was re-
zoned since business was established that is now there. "
Mr. Wm. Schnell, 37470 Plymouth Road: "I own two lots directly
across from the property in question, and I would like to mention
that we are all against the
change
ia lotwould
ofjeopardize
spentall
tore-
sidences. We feel that there has been
de-
velop property around there , and there is ample room for businesses
farther away from the described property."
Mr. Wilson: "How far east and how far west is ample room?"
Mr. Schnell: "A half mile east and a half mile west."
Mrs. Schnell: "There is more business property between Newburg Fnd
Ann Arbor Roads. The property in question is an RUFB classification
and is all agricultural. It wasn't business property at any time
since we have been there."
Florence Crawford , 37500 Plymouth Road: "I live directly across
from property and for the same reasons. I am opposed to a change in
the classification.
A list of opposers present at the meeting was then submitted for
the records :
Margaret Hoffert, 3'7560 Plymouth Road
Harry Crawford, 37500 Plymouth Road
Florence Crawford,
Alma Schnell, 37470 Plymouth Road
Wm. A. Schnell,
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Jacob Livernois , 37862 Plymouth Road
Vinnie Livernois, "
Jerry B. Baldwin, 37917 Plymouth Road
Mabel E. Hoag, 37907 Plymouth Road
I: Orville B. Hoag, "
Sallie Livernois, 37930 Plymouth Road
Harris Kennedy, 37825 Plymouth Road
John U. Livernois
Miss Byers then read Petition #28 - closing alley in Bonaparte
Gardens Subd. from Oporto to Melvin St and from Lot #382 to Dover
Street.
No one appeared either for or against petition.
Petition #29 - Master Thoroughfare Plan for the City of Livonia, as
advertised.
Recess was called by the Chairman at 8 :50 P.M.
At 9 P.M. the meeting was again called to order and there were
approximately 12 persons present.
Chairman Bentley asked Mr. Waring to explain in detail the proposed
plan.
Mr. Waring first explained that under the Charter form of City Govern-
ment, the chief duty of the Planning Commission is to set up a Master
Thoroughfare Plan for the City of Livonia. He explained further,
I: by use of a tentative map, that Livonia's master thoroughfares would
fit into the over-all picture including Detroit and surrounding
territories. Building line set-back on the south side of School-
craft would be very beneficial when the time does come for the City
to acquire this property as it would remain vacant. In an effort to
avoid some mistakes that have been overlooked by other cities when
they were just starting, Mr. Waring warned that the natural drainage
areas should not be filled in. The railroad is, of course, the
natural area for industry to develop such as is the case in the
building of the plants already established in Livonia. Mr. Waring
recommended that no more railroad crossings be built than are absolu-
tely necessary, as they are costly items when the time comes to build
retaining walls when viaduots are constructed. At the present time,
one lineal foot of retaining wall costs approximately $200. A zoning
ordinance for 120 foot roads would have to provide that owners should
stay back 60 feet from the setback which would be 85 feet. The thing
is to acquire vacant property.
Mr. Bentley advised that the purpose of having this petition in
Public Hearing is this - if there are any people here who have sug-
gestions for bettering the plan, they should be presented. The
Planning Commission makes the final decision on the Master Thorough-
fare Plan.
I: Art Jenkins: How would the City directly pay for the set-back?
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Mr. Bentley: The City would pay when it acquired the land. This
is done by resolution and can be amended like any other ordinance.
Oar laws are set up in such a way that they can always be amended.
I: Mr. Brashear brought up the question of subdivision roads being
affected by the Master Thoroughfare plan. Mr. Waring pointed out
that only the mile and half-mile roads are affected; subdivision
streets could be changed without affecting the Master Plan.
Mr. Donald Wilson, Building Inspector, raised the issue of building
line set-backs, stated that it was not too clear especially in the
case of a business corner lot of 40 or 50 feet. He wanted to know
how a man could build a business on a 40 foot lot and keep within
the set-back allotted, particularly when all of the houses or busi-
ness establishments faced one way.
Mr. Waring said it could be done if the owner was not held to side
yard restrictions.
Mr. Wilson said that on 40 foot corner lots he advises people to
buy the neat lot also or don't build and they go away unhappy.
Mr. Bentley advised that this problem of business corner lots of
40 or 50 foot size should be presented to the Zoning board of
Appeals by means of a zoning ordinance.
Mr. Wilson then brought out the fact that Mr. Young of 11424 Mark
Twain intends to build a store on Joy Road at the property line and
I: if he does so, he will be erecting his building over the gas line
that is in the process of being installed in back of the property
line.
Mr. Wilson stated that he tries to have property owners hold back
to a 25 foot line on 120 foot roads.
Mr. Young: "The company that is putting in the gas line is request-
ing permission to place it 10 feet inside of property line . I
wanted to find out what the law is on this before I give my permis-
sion."
Mr. Brashear suggested that the State and County Highway Department
be contacted to find out why gas line could not be put in within
the right-of-way.
The Chairman announced that if no other persons had anything to say,
the Public Hearing would be adjourned.
The Hearing closed at 9:40 P .M.
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MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING
OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
A special meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order
I: at 9 :41 P.M. to discuss petitions brought before the commission
at the Public Hearing.
On a motion made by Clarence Jahn, seconded by Robert Maclntyre and
unanimously carried, it was
RESOLVED, that Petition #24 A & B be granted as pre-
sented, with the condition that property owners grant
property easement for public utilities.
After a lengthy discussion on the matter of zoning laws, etc. , a
motion was made by Walter Russell and seconded by Clarence Jahn to
table Petition #25 until the next meeting. Motion carried unani-
mously.
Petition #27 - Mr. Dallas Hay made a motion to deny the petition
and it was seconded by Walter Russell. Motion carried by all members
present except Ed Conway.
Petition #28 - On a motion duly made by Clarence Jahn, seconded by
Ed Conway and carried unanimously, it was
RESOLVED, that the alley be closed, provided the property
owners grant property easement for public utilities.
The Chairman appointed the Plat Committee, consisting of Walter
Russell, Dallas Hay and Edwin Conway to meet with Messrs. Waring
and Wilson to try and reach some agreement on policy and make a
study to determine final answer on gas line installations, etc.
being installed on owners ' property.
Petition #29 - Thoroughfare Plan. A motion was made by Ed Conway,
seconded by Helen Byers and unanimously carried to hold Thorough-
fare Plan until next meeting.
A recess was called by the Chair at 10:10 P .M. (awaiting the arrival
of City Council for a joint meeting with Planning Commission).
The City Council joined the Planning Commission at 10 :45 P.M. to
arrive at a decision on the Grandon Woods subdivision. All City
Council members were present except Mr. Taylor.
Mr. Bentley advised Messrs. Herald Hamil, Buck, She nkma n and Lester
(the latter three owners of property in Grandon Woods ) that the
Planning Commission had made a recommendation to the City Council
to do away with half streets.
Mr. Hamil submitted a tentative Plat of Grandon Woods that was
shown for approval previously.
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A lengthy discussion followed
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deeisionWolfe
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Grandon Planning ods
Com-
mission to again reconsider
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Subdivision.
City Council left the meeting at 11 :10 P.M.
There followed an informal discussion by the Planning Commission.
A motion was made and seconded to return the same decision as
previously made to the City Council.
Roll call vote was taken with the following result:
YEAS Robert Maolntyre Clarence Jahn
Walter Russell Edwin Conway
Helen Byers George Bentley
Dallas Hay
NAYS None
The decision was given to Mr. William Brashear, City Attorney,
to return to the City Council at approximately 11 :30 P.M. April 4,
1951.
Upon a motion duly made by Edwin Conway and seconded by Clarence
Jahn and unanimously carried, it was
RESOLVED, that this meeting be adjourned until
April 19, 1951.
The Chairman thereupon declared the meeting adjourned until April
a 19.
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