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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2014-06-10MINUTES OF THE 1,056m PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia held its 1,056th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan. Mr. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Members present: Scott P. Bahr Kathleen McIntyre R. Lee Morrow Carol A. Smiley Gerald Taylor Ian Wilshaw Members absent: None Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, and Ms. Margie Watson, Program Supervisor, were also present. Chairman Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on tonight's agenda involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council who, in tum, will hold its own public hearing and make the final determination as to whether a pefifion is approved or denied. The Planning Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the petitioner has ten days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become effective seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission and the professional staff have reviewed each of these petitions upon their filing. The staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying resolutions, which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on the outcome of the proceedings tonight. ITEM #1 PETITION 2014-02-01-01 17108 FARMINGTON Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2014-02- 01-01, submitted by the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Section 23.01(b) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone properly at 17108 Farmington Road, located on the northeast corner of Farmington Road and Six Mile Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 10, from C-2 (General Business) to G7 (Local Business). June 10, 2014 2 Mr. Taormina: This is a request to rezone properly from G2, General Business, to C-1, Local Business. The property is located at the northeast corner of Farmington and Six Mile Roads. This rezoning request follows the approval of a site plan that will entail demolishing an existing gas station as well as the pumps and then constructing a new multi -tenant retail building. The new building would be about 3,600 square feel, one-story in height and divided into four possible tenant units. The Planning Commission at the time they enacted the zoning change suggested that the rezoning occur, and there were a couple of reasons for this, primarily, the location as well as the size of the property and the surrounding properties, the size of the building that's going to be going on the property, the nature of the uses that would occupy that building as well as the limited amount of parking available for the development. The C-1 zoning classification, which is being requested for this property, is more restrictive. It allows for far fewer uses than the C-2 district. It is intended to serve local shopping needs and neighborhood oriented businesses, such as general retail and office uses, barber shops, appliance stores, clothing stores, florist shops, office businesses, uses of that nature; whereas the C-2 is intended to serve the shopping needs of the larger community and allow for more intensive uses. Those would include gas stations, new and used car lots, as well as auto and light truck repair. Another major difference between the two zoning classifications are the type of restaurants that are allowed. The G7 would allow carry -out and limited service restaurants. The C-2 district allows for full service and drive-thru restaurants as well as restaurants that carry Class C liquor licenses. So the C-1 prohibits the larger, more intensive food service establishments from going in. This site certainly would not accommodate those types of uses. The zoning map shows that G7 borders the property to the north and to the east, OS and C-1 zoning is located across the street on Farmington Road, both in the southeast corner as well as southwest corner. Directly to the south is the C-1 classification again that is the Walgreen's drugstore. The property is about 18,000 square feet in size orjusl under half an acre. Its dimensions are 135 feet by 135 feet. Relative to the setback requirements, they do differ between the C-1 and the C-2 districts. C-2 requires a setback of 60 feet and C-1 requires a little bit greater setback of 75 feet. When we approved the plan for the new building, it will be set back 60 feel. So this will create a non -conformity along Six Mile Road. Construction for the building is planned for later this summer, so we would suggest that the final step of the rezoning not occur unfit after the permits are issued and construction has commenced. This would avoid the need to go for a variance. June 10, 2014 3 The Future Land Use Plan does show this site as General Commercial, so it supports either the C-1 or the C-2. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Do we have any correspondence? Mr. Taormina: There is one item of correspondence from the Engineering Division, dated May 19, 2014, which reads as follows: 7n accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced planning petition. The legal description and address for the parcel, 17108 Farmington Road, appear to be coned and should be used for any future correspondence regarding this petition. We have no objections to the proposed rezoning, and any comments regarding the proposed development were included with our January 29, 2014, letter for the previous Planning Department petition." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer 11. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Mr. Taylor: Through the Chair to Mr. Taormina, if we ask for this to be approved, could the Council then give it a first reading and then wail until the building is built to give it a second reading? Mr. Taormina: I think they would at least wait until the permits were issued and construction had begun. That way they would have that vested right to proceed in accordance with those permits. They could give first reading and just hold off on the second reading and roll call until that time. Mr. Taylor: Thankyou. Mr. Taormina: We will advise them of that suggestion. Mr. Morrow: As Mr. Taormina indicated, this is a petition that was brought by the Planning Commission, so we are the petitioners. So I'm going to go to the audience and ask if there is anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming forward, I will close the public hearing and ask for a motion. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was #0633-2014 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held by the City Planning Commission on June 10, 2014, on June 10, 2014 4 Petition 2014-02-01-01, submitted by the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Section 23.01(b) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone properly at 17108 Farmington Road, located on the northeast corner of Farmington Road and Six Mile Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 10, from C-2 (General Business) to C-1 (Local Business), the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-02-01-01 be approved for the following reasons: 1. That G7 zoning is compatible to and in harmony with the surrounding zoning districts and land uses in the area; 2. That C-1 zoning would allow the site to be redeveloped more in line with the recently approved plans; 3. That the proposed change of zoning would more accurately correspond to the location and size of the property, the size of the recently approved retail building, and the site's limited amount of parking; and, 4. That C-1 zoning is consistent with the developing character of the area. FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended. Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution. ITEM #2 PETITION 2014-05-01-03 20440 HUBBARD Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2014- 05-01-03 submitted by the City Planning Commission, on behalf of the City of Livonia and McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, pursuant to Council Resolution #140-14, and pursuant to Section 23.01(a) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone property at 20446 Hubbard Road, located on the east side of Hubbard Road between Eight Mile Road and Norfolk Avenue in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R3 (One Family Residential) to P (Parking). June 10, 2014 5 Mr. Taormina: Mr. Chairman, if you don't mind, I understand you'll lake up each item separately, but for the purpose of the presentation, I'd like to combine this petition with the next petition because they are closely related. Mr. Morrow: If we can do that, that makes a lot of sense. Mr. Taormina: Thank you. This request includes possible zoning changes for two separate properties. The two related petitions originated by resolution of the City Council. As you know, McLaren Performance Technologies was granted site plan approval on May 7 for the expansion of their sales and engineering offices, testing and manufacturing facilities that are located on Eight Mile Road between Farmington and Merriman Roads. The Council's approving resolution included a condition referring the question of whether the zoning of the properties at 20446 Hubbard and 20421 Parker should be changed from the current classification of R-3, One Family Residential, to P, Parking. McLaren currently owns both properties. The zoning map shows that the properties are similar in size. They are similarly situated on opposite sides of the McLaren property. They include frontage on each of the side streets, Hubbard and Parker, that form the easttwest boundaries of the project area. On the west side is 20446 Hubbard. This parcel is on the east side of the street about 300 feet south of Eight Mile Road. This parcel contains 110 feet of frontage on Hubbard. It has a depth of roughly 135 feel, for a total land area of 14,850 square feet or roughly one-third of an acre. This is an acreage parcel meaning it is not located within a platted subdivision, and currently there is a single family residential structure located on the property that will be removed as part of McLaren's expansion and redevelopment project. On the east side is 20421 Parker. This parcel is on the west side of the street, again situated about 300 feel south of Eight Mile Road. The property measures 100 feel in width so it is slightly less in width than the lot on Hubbard. It has the same depth, 135 feel with a total area of 13,500 square feel. Again, it is a little bit less than a third of an acre in total area. This lot is vacant. There was a structure on it but that was removed a couple of years ago just prior to McLaren purchasing the properly. The map shows how the two properties relate to the surrounding properties. The land owned by McLaren is both to the north and to the east and west of both subject properties, and then lying directly to the south of both lots are existing single family homes, both located along Hubbard Street and Parker Avenue. The rezoning of one or both of these parcels is an attempt to seek a possible design altematve that would provide additional surface parking in exchange for reducing the June 10, 2014 6 approved parking structure. The submitted concept plan shows what additional surface parking on each of the parcels might look like. On Hubbard it shows a total of 37 parking spaces. Again, I'll just remind everyone this is very conceptual at this time. The parking lot on the Parker side shows 25 spaces. Altogether, there are 62 additional surface spaces reflected on the plan. The parking structure includes two elevated decks, each with about 50 parking spaces, and when you include the grade level parking beneath the parking structure, there is a total of 153 spaces. That is just to give you some sense of what the comparison is between the additional parking that could be developed on either one of these two lots versus the parking on each one of the levels of the structure. With that, I'll read out the correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Yes. Just the correspondence on the Hubbard item, and when we gel to Agenda Item #3, then we'll read out the correspondence on that item. Mr. Taormina: Okay. Thank you. There are two items of correspondence. The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated May 19, 2014, which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced planning petition. The parcel has been assigned an address of 20446 Hubbard Road which should be used for any future correspondence regarding this petition. The legal description appears to be correct, and should be used in conjunction with the petition. We have no objections to the proposed rezoning, although it should be noted that any future paving or development of the parcel for parking will need to meet the current storm water management and detention requirements of the City of Livonia." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer 11. Then we have a petition dated June 3, 2014, addressed to the City of Livonia, copied to the City Council, that reads: "The purpose of this letter is to inform the Livonia City Council and any otherinterested parties that all property owners listed in this letter wish to declare a formal protest regarding the proposed rezoning Petition 2014-05-01-03 and subsequent expansion of McLaren Engines on the property located directly behind the current McLaren site on Eight Mile Road between Farmington and Merriman Road." That petition is signed by four individuals who give their addresses as 20414 Hubbard, 20445 Hubbard, 20495 Hubbard and then a second resident at the same address, 20495 Hubbard. That is the extent of the correspondence. June 10, 2014 7 Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Taormina. Again, unlike the first item on the agenda that the Planning Commission brought forward based on their own action, the next two we are bringing forward as a result of complying with a resolution by the Livonia City Council. Just a couple of notes before I go to the audience. This is a question of zoning. We will try to limit our remarks to zoning. We can discuss the site plan to a very limited degree, but the site plan is not up for change. The Commission will be interested to hear what you have to say about this rezoning which will help us shape whatever resolution we come up with. With that, I'm going to open it up. We have both podiums open, and we appreciate you coming up. Please give us your name and address and tell us your thoughts. It looks like there's a number of people. Please queue up when the line goes down so we can save as much time as we can. Mike Horton, 20414 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 wanted to express to the Planning Commission that I strongly object to this rezoning. This is a clear intrusion into the surrounding neighborhood for use that area was not intended for. There is no precedent within the City that has parking this deep into a residential neighborhood. Il would be the equivalent of asking for a parking lot zoning in my front yard. This would also add up to 275 cars twice a day to our residential neighborhood. People come to work and they leave work. That doesn't even include lunch. It would clearly put an undue hardship on the surrounding neighbors and no city planner who had any concept of a good city plan would ever approve. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. Robert Austin, 20306 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm the seventh house south of Eight Mile. I'm strongly against the rezoning of both of these properties. My wife works in downtown Detroit where parking garages are common but single family residential is not. This is not a good mix for the neighborhood. As Mike said, it's just going to impede on property values. It's going to impede on traffic and quality of life. The City of Livonia's motto is "Families Come First' and I'd like you to keep that in mind when you think about approving or denying this petition to rezone these properties. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Yes, sir. Ralph Martin, 20336 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 object to the parking rezoning, and I also have concern with their Concept Only Plan. McLaren has changed their plans several times since 2010, and June 10, 2014 8 it seems like when we gave them that original parking that we allowed them to do that, the City Council was happy because the residents and McLaren got together and came to a compromise. That was all voided when they didn't complete the original plan. They never finished the berm. They never put the trees up and they never put the parking lot in. But four years later we get hit with a monstrosity which they're going to have to come next Tuesday to the Zoning Board to check on whether they can build this building 51 feel high as opposed to 31 feet high. That will be a monster on the street. The traffic will be a problem. The property values will go down, and no one in the City has addressed our concerns. They've been for McLaren from day one. McLaren was drawing their Slate tax credits from day one before we ever approved anything, and they're still continuing to draw their Stale lax credits. There's 61 people signed the petition before. There's a lot more that are upset about it now, but the traffic problem, if you were to go to Tim Horton or Leo's Coney Island in the morning, with their traffic there, its a mess. This on Hubbard Streetwill be a bigger mess than that and it's already a problem for everybody. The object of this addition or expansion for McLaren is to not injure or hurl the residents financially, quality of life, all those things. Theyre important. It has hurl them and they don't care. They don't care. That's a corporation that's based somewhere else. Theyre working in Livonia but their employees are going to come from Southfield and wherever else they can get them. Theyve got less than 12 people that actually live in Livonia that work for them. So we pay taxes to give them a tax break through the Stale. We pay taxes to fix their abatement from the City, and we gel nothing in return for it except our properly values will go down; our quality of life will go down and our neighborhood will go down. Mr. Morrow: Thank you for your thoughts. Patricia McGrail, 33385 Norfolk, Livonia, Michigan 48152. You guys can tell me why I live at 33385 Norfolk. The address does not fall in line with the block, but we'll figure that out later. First of all, I'm thoroughly disgusted that I am finding out about this so Tale in the game. I did not know anything about this because I don't get the Observer. I was not notified by the City of Livonia that this was going to occur a few blocks from my home. I already deal with a traffic issue that is astronomical due to the fact that I have this soccer issue that I've already fought once, and am continuing to fight over at Webster Elemenlarys park. That brings me a ton of traffic including these lour busses every weekend of over 1,000 children, which we fought with the City June 10, 2014 9 on that one and thank goodness we were able to keep that to a minimum. Now you guys want to bang in a parking structure into a residential ... Mr. Morrow: Ma'am. We're confining this discussion to the two residenfial lots tonight. I think we're all familiar with the original site plan. Ms. McGrail: Then we still slick with the parking structure. Mr. Morrow: If you could. I mean its all right to mention it, but we just don't want to dwell on it. Ms. McGrail: Well, I'm not dwelling. Mr. Morrow: Then that's fine. Ms. McGrail: You want to take away my livelihood and my neighborhood. I purchased the home here in Livonia because I chose to, not because I had to, because you guys sold me, "Families First." You guys sold me a family community. And now you want to bring semi -trucks, an astronomical amount of traffic into a neighborhood that already has a ton of traffic. We already are inundated with cars, and you want to bring 250 more into my residence? Why? There is plenty of areas in Livonia where these folks could relocate. Plenty of areas where they don't have to take down residential homes, put in parking lots, just a few hundred feel from other residential homes, drive their semi - trucks onto my residential street. They're literally going to be bringing their semi -trucks onto Hubbard and onto Parker, the same Hubbard where my school bus will drive. So this Planning Commission thinks that it's okay that we are going to bring 18 wheelers where my school bus is going to go on a daily basis. I have four children that I already don't feel safe allowing them to play in the front yard because of the amount of traffic I'm dealing with. Now I'm going to deal with guys on a 30 minute lunch racing to the Tam Bell, racing to the McDonald's. No. What you're going to force me to do is, you're going to force me to sell my home which is in the top value of that subdivision and move out. My husband and I have already discussed it. That is the first thing we will do. We will leave, and a lot of these folks will too. And when people ask me why did you move from Livonia, I'll say because Livonia doesn't care about us. Because they wanted to bring this and the high lax dollars that came with it before us. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Mark, would her address be in the service area for the notification? June 10, 2014 10 Mr. Taormina: I haven't checked it. The property would have to be within 300 feel of the boundaries of either one of these properties in order for her to gel notice. Mr. Morrow: To gel a notice. Otherwise, it's the Observer. I think she indicated that she didn't gel the Observer, and we satisfied the fad that we didn't fall down in letting them know about R. Mr. Taormina: That's one of the reasons why the signs were posted on each one of the properties. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Yes, sir. Jack Roush, Jr., 20009 Mayfield, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm not going to reiterate all the concerns that were brought up, but I do share them. I strongly object to this whole expansion project. I'm not anti -business, obviously. My family has a very long history doing business in Livonia. I think we've had a really strong partnership but its really disappointing to see over the past 10 years that we've lived in our neighborhood, which we're really happy to bring our family here. Since living in our house, we had three children, in addition to the daughter we already had. I think this whole rezoning project, which includes the two properties up for discussion tonight, brings up the question of what is the purpose of residential or commercial zoning. I would argue that is to protect the sanctity of residential and family areas. Again, I'm not going to reiterate other concerns that were brought up, but I think I have a unique perspective. My family has lens, several buildings in Livonia, several industrial buildings in Livonia, and I have never, to my recollection, ever done a project like this where we've encroached on neighborhoods. We typically haven't ever even had a need to build new buildings because there are so many available. I'm struggling not only with the effect of what this is going to have on our neighborhood, but why this is even necessary. I'm also concerned about the precedent that this is setting. Not only have I never seen a project like this with our company, but I've never seen this in Livonia anywhere. I strongly urge this group to consider the impact that this will have, because I don't think its going to be a good one for the citizens. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: We appreciate your comments. Thank you. We'll slay on this side. Melissa Wegener, 20445 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm across the street from the first house they want to sell on Hubbard. The June 10, 2014 11 Slate of Michigan, the City of Livonia, this is a document that you have. It says the purpose of these regulations is to protect the public health, safety and welfare and the development of permanently wholesome communities in Livonia. Mr. Morrow: What is the document you have there? Ms. Wegener: Pardon? Mr. Morrow: What is that document? Ms. Wegener: Slate of Michigan, City of Livonia, regulations governing the subdivision of land in the City of Livonia, Wayne County, Michigan, and providing the enforcement thereof. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou. Ms. Wegener: And this is your statement that you go by. The traffic on Hubbard, and I don't know if you know, across from where McLaren is, there are storage sheds there. There is semi traffic in and out of there all day. They rent those storage sheds, and they're running businesses out of there. There's a landscape company, fertilizing and snowplowing. Trucks are down there 24 hours when it snows. There's a window company that has semis backed in there all the time. There is a guy who's a pancake distributor. His semi is in there weekly unloading. I can't get the Ordinance Department to enforce any of this so I've been looking at it forever. It's a lot of traffic. The schools, we talked about at the end of the street. That's a County program. Those busses come from all over Wayne County, three limes a day — morning, noon and night transporting kids. So you have that traffic. Those busses for the soccer games — Saturday morning — they're using Hubbard now because they know the people on Norfolk are unhappy. Al 730 in the morning there's big lour busses coming down our street. You can't tell me there's not going to be additional traffic. There's supposed to be a traffic study done counting cars. That has not been done to my knowledge. I know it was asked in some of these minutes. You also have the problems with the garbage trucks. The Clarenceville School District is on the other side of the street. Clarenceville busses ran up and down there. There's people at the end of the street thaljusl bought a house. They're appalled. They didn't even know this was going on. They didn't even know their kids couldn't go to Tyler because the reallor never told them it was Clarenceville on the other side of the street. That's neither here nor there but you know, its loo light to tum trucks in there. I mean the radius your traffic department June 10, 2014 12 is telling these people to have. They're going to put a sign out there that says "no left turn." The sergeant who wrote this letter told me they can't enforce that because the sign is on private properly. So it's totally useless. So how are you going to slop traffic when you tell them to make a left hand turn? You're going to have a buddy system to make sure nobody does it? So you can't enforce the sign. You're going to have all these employees. You know, you talk about the comer and getting the drainage correct. That comer on that property has flooded for years. We look at stagnant water sifting there all the time. So that's a problem with that. I would ask that you table this and study it. I went to the soccer. The guy on the other side of Parker. There's a big building there. They told us that they had talked to everybody. I went over there last week and asked him, I says, anybody from McLaren come and approach you about selling this property? Its a big empty building. He runs a karate school in there. He said I would sell in a minute. Who do I talk lo? They can use this place and they can put a parking deck on here. All they have to do is walk right across the street to the building and we won't have to do this whole mess here. He'd be more than happy to sell the property. Its a big empty vacant building. It used to be a records storage building. It's just vacant now. We haven't looked hard enough. We haven't looked for solutions. Nobody wants to get together and talk about things. So I hope you guys either table this and you look further at what's going on and get all the bugs worked out of this so we have honest answers about what's going on instead of just hodge podge it here and there. Once you start destroying neighborhoods it's really sad. At least Royal Oak and Berkley have enough sense to protect their residents and not put that parking lot in there that Vinsetta's wanted, that restaurant over there. At least they had people that understood. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou. Mr. Taylor: Through the Chair. Mark, can you clarify what the Council did at their meeting with the approval of the parking deck? I know that Mr. Pastor met with some of the residents and thought that maybe rezoning those properties out on the corners might help, but it sounds like that's just adding to the problem. But the Council has approved this already, right? Mr. Taormina: If I understand your question, it's actually two questions. One relates to what was approved. What was approved does not include development of either one of these two lots other than landscaping that would be used to help shield the development from the surrounding areas. Nothing has been approved for June 10, 2014 13 either one of these two lots, but it was the suggestion of the City Council, or it was part of their approving resolution of the site plan that granted the approval for the parking structure as well as the additions to the buildings and modifications elsewhere to the site, including the landscaping and the slonnwater development design, that we look at whether or not one or both of these lots should be rezoned in order to pick up additional surface parking to the extent that that might lower the structure and thereby address some of the concerns that were expressed regarding the parking structure itself. But clearly, as we're learning tonight, the additional intrusion into the neighborhood for parking on either one of these lots may not be desired, at least from the residents' point of view. Mr. Taylor: This sounds like we're adding to the problem. We have a Traffic Commission. I dont know whether anybody has brought it up at the Council level to offer the two streets to the Traffic Commission. There's a lot of different signage they can put it. It has to be enforced, but the Traffic Commission could study this neighborhood and do a lot of different things about no commercial vehicles. A lot of those types of signs could go up. I would urge the Council to do that, and I know we can't make a resolution telling them to do it, but they can refer it to the Traffic Commission to deal with the traffic. As far as those lots being rezoned, I just see that adding to the problem. Mr. Morrow: Is that it, Mr. Taylor? Mr. Taylor: Yes. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. We'll continue. Yes, sir. Michael Brewer, 20045 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm down the street from the proposed project. Right now on the weekends you gel the busses from out -of -stale for the soccer. Every day about 8:00 in the morning you gel hundreds of cars in from people dropping their kids off. Now if you gel more vehicles from this parking structure, they'll be cutting through the neighborhood. We've got people from the adjacent subdivisions culling through our neighborhood now. That's adding to the traffic. You gel more cars from a parking structure. That's going to add more. I've seen 18 wheelers come down Hubbard and go down Norfolk because they've got lost or they decided to lake a short cul and run over to Farmington or go to Merriman. Now an 18 wheeler, that street is not designed for commercial vehicles, especially a loaded 18 wheeler with its 40 fool or 53 fool. Now if you put a sign up that states "no commercial vehicles," how are June 10, 2014 14 they going to gel into their structure? You're going to have to get into the neighborhood for them to gel their vehicles into their structure and you're going to have to redo the roads the way it is now. We just had it asphalted. That was I'm sure for the soccer field and when Webster look over Tyler Elementary. And that's what happened. We've got all this traffic now at 8:00 in the morning and then at 3:00 in the afternoon. Now normal shifts are either 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning. Eight hours after that it's 4:30, 5:00. You're going to gel slammed again. Now there's soccer practice every evening down at Tyler field. They use both streets, Hubbard and Mayfield, and I know people are going to be culling through for those things. Now if Livonia's motto is "Families Come First," and there's signs on Five Mile and Inkster, Families First, you're taking away residential housing for business. There's plenty of space for business between Schoolcmft and Plymouth, Middlebell all the way out to Haggerty. That's your industrial park basically. There's no residenfial in there. There was a few that were converted to businesses now. So my thing is, hey, just like the soccer field. Instead of putling it at Tyler, you had an old school ground that they lore the school down. You had good access to it from Merriman Road, but you know, whatever. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou. Laura Roush, 20009 Mayfield, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm Jack's wife. A lot of what I had written down has been touched on already. I think in regard to the traffic, the point that I would like to make is that there are no sidewalks in our neighborhood, which we don't want. We like it the way it is. We like the country feel. We enjoy our neighbors. A lot of us are here tonight and a lot of us are going to be directly affected even though we do not live right next door to this building. There are a lot of pedestrians in our neighborhood, a lot of women pushing their babies around, me laking my children for bike rides, and we've already been almost killed several limes. There are four way stops that are not enforced. People zip right through them. I've almost been hit by a pickup truck going at least 50 miles an hour without them even pausing, and one time, in particular, if I had been hit, all my children were in the car and one baby behind me, a pedestrian had just crossed the street. She would have been killed. Who knows what would have happened to me. There are some serious safely issues, and if you have this, and you have an entrance going into our neighborhood, these people will use that to cul through because no one is going to want to make a left hand turn onto Eight Mile. They're going to be, oh, it's easier just to cul down to Norfolk. We'll just do a little cul June 10, 2014 15 around, go this way. You know, cul through, lake a left hand turn. I mean, cul through even the smaller neighborhood below us, which I'm sure most those people, if any of them, are even remotely aware of what's going on here right now. Okay? So the traffic thing, obviously an issue. There needs to be a traffic study done, should not be approved without that being done. The other thing I'd like to bring up, and maybe I'll gel some groans for this, is McLaren bought those properties before this was even suggested. Why would they invest in buying those properties unless they knew for sure that it was going to be approved? I mean would you go buy something thinking you could use it if you didn't think you actually could? I mean it doesn't make any sense, and I think that there has to be someone who looks into the property on Parker, which was bought by a builder who was going to build a home, but he couldn't get the permits. Now I have a corner lot right by my house. They just knocked down the house and that new home is already up within a couple weeks. So you tell me why couldn't he gel his permits to build a home when there was already a home there? It's residential. Just saying it needs to be looked at. Mr. Morrow: I have no idea what McLaren's thought process was, but the other side of the coin is, and I may be wrong, but I think that McLaren bought those properties to mitigate the infringement into the neighborhood. The Council brought up the fact that they should look at parking. I think they were trying to use that as a buffer to the neighborhood. I dont say you agree with that plan, but your thought could be right or the other could be right. Ms. Roush: Well, the other portion of this is, the area that was designated as parking in the backyards of these homes, it was done in a good faith agreement with McLaren that they would do certain things and gel it done by a certain time, which they didn't do. They never touched it. Why would they never touch it? Because they never were planning on doing it in the first place. Now, it is my understanding with that agreement, if it wasn't done within a year, that parking area that wasn't residential anymore was to revert back to residential. So you need to look at whether or not that area that they have in between those buildings, which you say is parking now, if it actually is, because in the agreement that I saw, it said it would revert back to residential. So that also needs to be looked at. The other things that I wanted to say was, I just find that this is extremely disrespectful to all these residents that are going to be affected by this. There is way too much here. It sets a precedent like my husband said that is unheard of, and when you start doing this, how many people are June 10, 2014 16 going to go, you know, I don't like living next to Tim Horton. Someone should buy my lot and they can expand their business. They need extra parking over there. Why don't they buy my house? And then the next guy goes, why don't they buy my house? And then the next guy next to him says, no, I didn't want to live next to a parking lot so I'm going to sell my house really cheap. Now, do we want people buying really cheap houses in Livonia? What kind of neighbors are going to be moving into my neighborhood? I don't need to live there obviously, but I care about these people and you should too, and you should care about the fad that this is not good for the neighborhood. I kind of was a little taken back when you said you didn't feel like this was a neighborhood. This is a neighborhood regardless of how big our lots are and what you previously thought about it. We are neighbors and we care about each other and we care about this happening. It really is disgusting that these people's homes are going to be harmed and our properly values are all going to drop because this can be like a cancer. This can spread in our neighborhood. Maybe not the actual building, but the fad that nobody is going to want to live next to it. Nobody is going to want to live on a street with all this traffic. I know I don't. I've been begging my husband to move for years and he loves Livonia. But you know what? When this came about, he said Tel's start looking. Now do you want us to keep looking? Approve the plan. I don't think its fair. I don't think it's right, and I think if McLaren wants to build a bigger building with this parking, but we all know that the building is going to be huge and that's going to be another precedent that's going to be broken and this parking structure, which is going to be noisy — what building is noisy — and then all the lights. Its ridiculous. I mean we can't do this to people. It's wrong. It is wrong, and that's not what Livonia stands for like my husband has said. Thank you very much. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. Is there anyone else to come forward? We'll do the Parker side next. You're certainly welcome to comment, but Hubbard is for now and Parker will be the next one up. Mr. Taylor: Mr. Chairman, could we possibly hear from McLaren? Is someone here from McLaren? Mr. Morrow: He has the option if he cares to. He doesn't have to because we are the petitioner and he doesn't have to partake if he doesn'twanllo. Yes, ma'am. Kathryn Bottaro, 20495 Hubbard Street, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Sorry I'm late. Is it okay to go now or is somebody else going to go? June 10, 2014 17 Mr. Morrow: No, there is no one else at the podium Ms. Boltaro: I'm the properly directly across from the proposed entranceway exit way that will be on Hubbard. I find that disgusting. We were here before. The idea is that there will be an additional 100 cars or so in the parking structure in the community. This doesn't make sense for that structure. That additional building, three story building, much closer to my house. Its going to be an office building. Now lights will be on all night, not just the exterior lights, the flood lights that are already on my driveway, but my front door, my front windows, directly across from this. If I'm not mistaken, its just a 30 fool street into a 30 fool driveway meaning .... the previous business had tractor trailers on our lawns all the time. We look it to the City. They look down our tree limbs. We're going to have tractor trailers on our lawn again. Our visitors park in front of our house. How are these people going to gel in and out? We all know about the traffic. We know about the ... sorry, I just walked through the door so I'm not really collected, but the idea of having a parking structure like that in a community like ours, it's just overwhelmingly big. Mr. Morrow: Ma'am, I know you were a little bit Tale, but we're primarily trying to confine our comments to the zoning for the two residential lots. Ms. Boltaro: Oh, sorry. Mr. Morrow: Dont apologize. I know that we went through this at the site plan. So we know you were concerned about the parking structure. That's not up for tonight. I dont mind you mentioning it, but the original site plan is not going to change. I know you have the one across the street from you and so we know your thoughts. But I just wanted to make sure primarily just the parking that would be on that residential lot. Ms. Bottam: Yeah. Our property is zoned, and I dont know why and I can't gel anybody from the City to work with me on this and I've called multiple times. Why we're zoned both industrial and residential, but we're a home. We have a garden. This community is a community of family. We're houses. So the point is, about rezoning, I don't understand how that went through at all. I have no idea how the company bought a properly and is getting permission to rezone it. It just doesn't make sense to me. Again, this just isn't making any sense at all. So, yeah, if I had to vole, my husband who is at work right June 10, 2014 is now said, if we had to vole, we certainly wouldn't have voted to approve for that residential property to be rezoned to industrial. Its definitely going to affect us in multiple ways. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much, and you have a beautiful little baby there. Is there anyone else before I close the public hearing? We can call 0 the Hubbard side. With that, I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was #06-34-2014 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held by the City Planning Commission on June 10, 2014, on Petition 2014-05-01-03 submitted by the City Planning Commission, on behalf of the City of Livonia and McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, pursuant to Council Resolution #140-14, and pursuant to Section 23.01(a) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone property at 20446 Hubbard Road, located on the east side of Hubbard Road between Eight Mile Road and Norfolk Avenue in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R-3 (One Family Residential) to P (Parking), the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-05-01- 03 be denied for the following reasons: 1. That the proposed rezoning is not needed to serve McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, the neighborhood or community; 2. That the anticipated use would unduly tax and conflict with the established and normal traffic flow of the area; 3. That the existing mining is more consistent with the established pattern of development and character of the adjacent properties; and 4. That P (Parking) zoning is not supported by the Future Land Use Plan which recommends Low Density Residential. FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended. Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion? June 10, 2014 19 Mr. Wilshaw: I think it's fair to give at least my opinion as we vole on this item because the City Council asked us to come back and look at the zoning of these two properties and if it would be appropriate to rezone these from residential to parking with the concept of lowering the parking deck by one story to then spread the parking out onto these two parcels. So the City Council is looking for our opinion and our guidance, and therefore I'm going to give it, which is that, as I look at this plan and this proposal, I see a lot of negatives. We have the issue of slormwaler management. As you put more concrete in on a piece of property, the water has to go somewhere. You need to plan that out. The more concrete we put on this particular site of McLaren, the stormwater management issues arise. We have issues with lighting and noise, which would encroach closer to the residents who live surrounding this parcel. As you move cars closer to the roadways themselves, you'll have reduced landscaping because rezoning this parcel and putting a parking lot in would reduce the landscaping on that lot. McLaren's intent, if this is not rezoned, is to heavily landscape those parcels to serve as buffers for the parking garage. I think that's a smarter thing to do for the residents that are in the area, and frankly, there has been no need demonstrated on the part of McLaren at this point to rezone these parcels. They have adequate parking as their plan shows and to add additional parking to that site, I don't believe is necessary at this time. We try to look for the least intensive uses of zoning in our community. Residential is the least intensive use of any zoning that exists in our collection of zoning that we can choose from. Parking will be the least intensive use of a commercial or industrial type use, but residential is frankly the lead intensive use, which is what it currently is and I believe its properly zoned. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Any other commissioner? Did you say something, Mr. Bahr? Mr. Bahr: No, but I'll say ditto to everything Mr. Wilshaw said. Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. We will forward this to the City Council saying that the Commission recommends that this zoning request be denied. Based on what I'm hearing tonight, that could be the good news, but the bad news is that you're going to have to fight this out again at the Council level, who will ultimately make the final determination as to whether the zoning goes through from there. June 10, 2014 20 ITEM #3 PETMON 2014-05-01-04 20421 PARKER Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2014- 05-01-04 submitted by the City Planning Commission, on behalf of the City of Livonia and McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, pursuant to Council Resolution #140-14, and pursuant to Section 23.01(a) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone property at 20421 Parker Avenue, located on the west side of Parker Avenue between Eight Mile Road and Norfolk Avenue in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R-3 (One Family Residential) to P (Parking). Mr. Morrow: If the Commission has no objection, I think you've already explained the location. Just read in any correspondence and then we'll go to the audience. Mr. Taormina: There are two items of correspondence. The first item is from the Engineering Division, dated May 19, 2014, which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced planning petition. The parcel has been assigned an address of 20421 Parker Avenue which should be used for any future correspondence regarding this petition. The legal description appears to be comect, although due to the way the description is written, it cannot be verified without having a Professional Surveyor retrace the boundary in the field. We have no objections to the proposed rezoning, although it should be noted that any future paving or development of the parcel for parking will need to meet the current storm water management and detention requirements of the City of Livonia." This Department has no further objections to this petition." The letter is signed by David Lear, Civil Engineer 11. We have a similar petition dated June 3, 2014, addressed to the City of Livonia, copied to the City Council, which reads as follows: "The purpose of this letter is to inform the Livonia City Council and any other interested parties that all property owners listed in this letter wish to declare a formal protest regarding the proposed rezoning Petition 2014- 05-01-03 (I believe they meant 04) and subsequent expansion of McLaren Engines on the property located directly behind the current McLaren site on Eight Mile Road between Farmington and Merriman Road." That petition is signed by two individuals who give their addresses as 20420 Parker and 20400 Parker. That is the extent of the correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Thank you. I don't know if we mentioned it before, but these protest petitions do not affect the City Planning Commission. June 10, 2014 21 The City Council, it affects their vole. Without further ado, I'm going to go to the audience. Mr. Bahr: Could I just ask a question before we go to the audience? Mr. Morrow: Sure. Mr. Bahr: Through the Chair to Mark, a comment was made on the last petition that they would need to come again before Council. With us denying this petition, doesn't it require an appeal to Council? Does this even move on to Council? Mr. Taormina: The zoning process is automatic. Regardless of our recommendation, it will go to Council. Mr. Bahr: Regardless of what we do here. Okay. Mr. Taormina: That's correct. Mr. Bahr: Thanks for clarifying that. And then this has been said many limes tonight but seeing we have more comments here, I just want to state one more time that this is about the zoning of these properties. So it's not about height of buildings; its not about parking decks. It's about rezoning these properties from residential to parking. I know it's been said several times, but I think it behooves us to say it one more time because we're getting a lot of comments about things that frankly are outside the realm of this petition. Mr. Morrow: We are on a new petition, so it's appropriate. Ms. McIntyre: I'm sorry. I also just want to clarify one other thing. I think in our previous case we discussed that these were not subdivisions, they were acreage. And I want to be just real clear that no one said here or feels that this isn't a neighborhood. This isn't a subdivision, and subdivision is a term of zoning. We certainly appreciate and understand that this is a neighborhood. I think maybe there was some misinterpretation when we said these were acreage lots and not a subdivision. We certainly all see this as a neighborhood. That's just a technical term. Mr. Morrow: It is a neighborhood. Ms. McIntyre: Exactly. Mr. Morrow: Regardless ofwhatwe call it. June 10, 2014 22 Ms. McIntyre: Exactly. Thanks, Mr. Chair. Mr. Morrow: Please give us your name and address for the record. Craig Rickle, 20325 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Thats the reason I bought it, for acreage. On your [Instructions for Completing] Application for Variance, you got, "When you ask for a zoning variance, you are asking permission to do something which violates the zoning ordinance. So you need to explain why the law should not apply to you." Well, that's money, but then, "The Board must also decide that the variance would be fair to the people who are protected by the Zoning Ordinance, such as your neighbors." We're not being protected. We are being overlooked 100 percent. Nobody cares what we say. The votes go by. Why theyre so special that they can't obey the law but we have to obey. So I want to build a two-story garage. My neighbors are okay with it, but I'll gel knocked down. I mean there's special things going on here. "You need to explain to the Board why it is fair to your neighbors to allow this variance, as well as the reason the variance would be consistent with the spin( of the Zoning Ordinance." Mr. Morrow: Well, sir, lel me just gel in here. I'm not sure what you mean by variance. We're talking about zoning. Mr. Rickles Okay. Even mining. What I'm interested in is what was happening in 2010. 1 wasn't here for that, but I know the code is for one year. So that parking needs to be rezoned again, because that's back to residential. So that's not considered parking. They haven't done anything to finish it. I'm living with a million mosquitos now because I have a retention pond with stagnant water just silting there. I mean we're right behind d, and we got to deal with and they never completed what the original agreement was. I know if I got a building permit or a permit out, its good for one year. If I dont, I got to go reissue a permit. So I don't know if a permit has been reissued again to keep that as parking because that should revert back to residential. I don't know why you're shaking your head. I mean I know my codes and that. It goes back. So, I dont know. Do what you want. Mr. Taylor: Mark, do you want to explain that about zoning? Mr. Morrow: I think it might be in the site plan as opposed to the zoning June 10, 2014 23 Mr. Taormina: It pertains to the site plan and the rezoning of the other property. Its not really germane directly to these petitions this evening. Those would be addressed by the City Council. Mr. Morrow: You can bring that up at the City Council. It would be up to them if they want to consider that. Steve Halchigian, 21420 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm against this proposal on this empty lot on Parker. An April 1 st meeting of the City Planning, I remember Ms. Smiley remarking that she wouldn't want a large flat area for parking such as asphalt or cement, and if this had gone through or if this will go through, this is exactly what we'll be having. And I remember back last winter when Gary Crone was in charge of McLaren, he and the maintenance supervisor, Tom Bonnet, was out there, and my neighbor and I approached them and they had said that they had just purchased this property. When I asked them what their plans were, Gary told me that they were going to make a picnic area for the employees and that's where that stood. On March 3131, we had an informational meeting on the fifth floor of the City Hall with the Mayor and I asked Mr. Taormina what was the plans for that empty lot on Parker, and he replied, proposed parking. On April 21n, we had a neighborhood meeting at McLaren with Mr. Scott Maxwell, and we looked at some maps. And the map that showed the Parker lot said to be seeded. When I asked about will there be any parking on that spot, they would not answer. We also had another meeting on May 2nd at McLaren. This time with Michael VanDuren, Vice President of Corporate Development. We looked at another map and there was no parking indicated on that Parker empty lot. And he even told me, personally, there would be no parking on that lot. Mr. Morrow: Okay. Sir, could I interject something here before we go forward? McLaren is not asking for this to be parking. The City Council is asking that it be considered for parking. Mr. Halchigian: Which is my next point. Mr. Morrow: Okay. So I just wanted to make sure that we weren't saying that McLaren was bringing this petition forward. Go ahead. Mr. Halchigian: On May T^ at the City Council meeting, Councilman John Pastor, to all of our surprise and my understanding to much of the surprise of the City Council, he designed this parking on Hubbard and Parker, and he had said that the neighbors wanted this. I tried. I have not found a neighbor that wants this. June 10, 2014 24 Mr. Morrow: Well, I don't want to dwell on that because I wasn't there, but he did introduce the plan to look at R. I knowthal. Mr. Halchigian: The parking structure is one thing, and I know we don't want to speak of that right now. Mr. Morrow: I'm just saying, as far as .... Mr. Halchigian: But the rezoning of this property on Parker, I'm against that. And another thing, if they do make that parking, then there's a row of trees that divide the current residential lot to where the structure would be. They would all have to be cleared so they can make the parking lot. If those trees were left there, that would help hide some of the structure if and when that goes up. But I would like to see no rezoning on that Parker property. Thankyou. Mr. Morrow: Yes, Mr. Taylor. Mr. Taylor: I certainly don't agree with Mr. Pastor, but in defense of him, I think what his idea was to drop down the parking complex so that they could park on the outside edges and give the residents a chance to look at that. I think that's what he was thinking about. I don't agree with him, but that's what he did. I also want to urge all of you people to go to a Council Meeting to urge them to refer this to the Traffic Commission so they can make a traffic study of what's going on. If they can help you there, they will. To a certain point they can help you, but some of this is through the schools, through Parks and Recreation I'm hearing. I have a soccer field behind my home and they park in the street and its there for a couple hours and then they go away. But I sit on my back deck and watch them play soccer. So its great. Mr. Morrow: Thank you, Mr. Taylor. Nabil Nouman, 20341 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 want to tryto talk about the two parking lots, but just as Mr. Wilshaw said and Mr. Taylor, it really is a result of trying to bring the three level parking deck to two levels. So it's difficult not to talk about that in the process. Starting off, I really want to say I have no beef with McLaren. Theyre a business. They're trying to do what's best for them. My beef is really with the City of Livonia so far. Mr. Pastor, during that meeting, dropped a bomb on us during the City Council meeting, and really I believe it was more of lactic to draw the attention away from the three level parking structure, and he clearly said it. He sat there and he said its June 10, 2014 25 either three or two, and he basically flat out waived every neighbor's concern. He completely ignored it. Mr. Morrow: Well, yeah. I think we get that message. Mr. Nouman: Yep. And I'm going to voice really a concern here. Why is the City of Livonia so adamant on pleasing McLaren? It raises a lot of questions. It doesn't smell right. I have no information to suggest any foul play or anything. I'm not going to accuse anyone, but there's definitely going to be some questions asked. McLaren, they want to do what's best them. The City of Livonia should be doing what's best for the city and the neighbors. Right now we know the City of Livonia is actually one of the better financially stable cites in the area. So the City doesn't need McLaren, but us as neighbors, we need our values, we need our homes. We need the purpose for what we bought our homes to be there. And right now, its not there due to whether its the Planning Commission voting for that three level parking structure to agree to it or the City Council agreeing to that three level parking structure or the Mayor or anyone involved. The main question is why. I haven't heard one single answer. Why is that important to the City? Why is that important to the neighborhood and who is that benefitting other than McLaren and the big question mark. Possibly, city officials. There's going to be some investigation. I would not rest, along with the rest of the neighbors, to find out who is benefifting from this. For a City Councilman to come up and act more of a salesman and try to pitch us on either two or three, that's not looking out for the neighbors. That's not looking for the city. That's special interests. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou James Brossard, 20391 Parker, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I'm right next to the empty lot that McLaren has acquired. I too am against parking against my house, my home, my wife also. Now, I remember at the last meeting, McLaren gave a presentation and put it on the slide screen and showed just a two level structure with no parking on either Hubbard or Parker, but shortly after that, Councilman Pastor, it floored me what he had to say that there's going to be parking on Parker or Hubbard or both. I just couldn't believe he said that, and it upset me greatly, especially after McLaren said there's going to be a two level structure with no parking on Hubbard or Parker. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Like Mr. Taylor said, I think Councilman Pastor had been listening to the neighbors for input about the parking deck, and June 10, 2014 26 at least in my opinion, he came up with the idea that if the neighbors don't object, if we rezone these two parcels to parking, maybe we can lower the parking deck. I'm not saying he was trying to push it, but I think he was impressed with what he was hearing and he was offering an idea of maybe if the neighbors went along with it, they could do that. That's one reason we're doing this rezoning tonight to gel the input from the neighbors to see if that was a good idea or a bad idea as it relates to what the neighbors were thinking, and I think we're getting that tonight — what the neighbors think. I don't see any motive other than trying to maybe come up with an alternate that would be more in line to lessen the impact in the neighborhood. So I don't mean to interrupt you, but I don't want to beat up Councilman Pastor. I don't think there's an ulterior motive there. I think he was just trying to see if there was any way to mitigate it in a different direction. So excuse, the interruption. Go ahead, sir. Mr. Brossard: That's just the way it came across. It upset me greatly. It really did. Mr. Morrow: That's why I wanted to speak. Mr. Brossard: It sounded like an ultimatum, like I would have no choice in this matter. It just floored me. Thank you very much. Mr. Morrow: Il was just simply a trial balloon. That's all it was. Laura Roush, 20009 Mayfield, Livonia, Michigan 48152. Just a couple points. I'm not going to be loo long. First of all, I appreciate you trying to defend Pastor and what he was saying, but I think that a lot of us have other reason to believe there is some other motives there. Just put it on the record. I realize that has nothing to do with this particular lot. With this particular lot, I think and from what I'm hearing from the Council you're not going to rezone this to usage beyond residential, which is great. I think if you did that, the concern here is that even if they said we're going to plant landscaping there, we're going to use that lot to block it for you guys, that's not going to happen because it didn't happen when they promised it before. A company that has promised something before and has not completed that promise, they won't do it again. So if you keep it residential, we know they can't put parking on that lot. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: You bring that thought to the City Council when it gets to City Council and see what they say to that. June 10, 2014 27 Ms.Roush: About what? Mr. Morrow: Developing the lot with landscaping. Ms. Roush: Well, like I said, if we keep @ residential, they can't put parking there. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: That's right. Yes, sir. Dean Wagner, 20445 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. I've lived in this area since 1982. What's next? Every time we come down here from McLaren, what's next? Maybe a casino in the back parking lot? I don't know. It just seems the City gives them anything they want. Why? You drive into the City. It says Livonia puts families first. I dont see that. I definitely do not want any of this traffic. It's a pain. Saturday morning I come home from work at 6:30, there's lour busses going down the street. I can't even turn down my street, lel alone try and gel out of my driveway to go back to work. So we're dead set against this. I mean McLaren has their right to do what they want on Eight Mile, but keep them out of our neighborhood. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Scott Maxwell, McLaren Performance Technologies, 32233 Eight Mile, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 just want to make a point of clarification. There's a little bit of a terminology concern about how many levels are on the garage. Always from the beginning, there had been three levels: one ground level, and two elevated levels. Maybe it's my fault. We may have inadvertently said two levels, meaning two elevated levels. The alternative that Councilman Pastor proposed would be also considered two levels, one ground, one elevated. So when Jim was discussing that it was two levels, someone may have said that with the three level garage, referring to two elevated levels. So its always been three total levels. Mr. Morrow: Yes. I think that's clear now. With the parking in the residential area, you might be able to remove one level of parking. Mr. Maxwell: That is correct. With Pastor's proposal and making those two lots parking and turning them into surface parking, it would be one ground level and one elevated. Mr. Morrow: I think it would be important to refresh our memory if it were to be ground level plus two levels, I believe it was 18 feet. June 10, 2014 28 Mr. Maxwell: Eighteen feet at the lire level, with three or four feet of guarding to keep the lights out and the poles. Mr. Morrow: Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. Mike Horton, 20414 Hubbard, Livonia, Michigan 48152. 1 just want to quickly say that the whole Pastor thing, I spoke to John Pastor prior to this plan coming out and he at one point during the conversation, we were actually out in the area theyre trying to rezone now, and he said, what can we do to make you guys happy? And I said, well, I want you to hold McLaren to their original agreement, which would be just a ground level parking lot. And he said, well, that's not what I'm talking about. And I said, well, I would be for anything that didn't involve a three story parking garage. And then minutes before the Council meeting, that's what he came back with. In no way did I ever mean to lead him to believe that a stretched out parking lot was something that would be okay. I would also like to respond to the gentleman from McLaren. He staled that this has always been a three story parking structure. In fact, it has not always been a three story parking structure. Mr. Morrow: Well, he's talking about the current site plan. Mr. Horton: Yeah, as am 1. Mr. Morrow: Not the prior history. Mr. Horton: Well, it's all the same thing. You can't make that distinction. Originally, this was a ground level parking structure and that's what they agreed to. Mr. Morrow: Parking lot. Mr. Horton: Parking lot, correct. It wasn't always a three story structure. We rolled over on this based on a ground level parking lot. So that is not correct information. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: Thankyou. Yes, sir. Mr. Maxwell: It has to be clear in talking about the garage, that was three levels. Yes, there was a 2010 surface parking. That's not what I was talking about. Mr. Morrow: We realize that. June 10, 2014 29 Patricia McGrail, 33385 Norfolk, Livonia, Michigan 48152. This is it, I swear. Maybe he can help clarify me, because this is where I gel lost. Like I said, I was brought into this just a couple weeks ago. I'm right at Norfolk, one block in off of Farmington. We were not notified, like I said, by the City of this project. My address is a little weird as you notice, its 33385. First time I called 911 my ambulance was actually dispatched to Six Mile and Middlebell. So my address doesn't fall correct. Mr. Morrow: Mark, did you say 300 feet? Mr. Taormina: Yes. It sounds like she's beyond that. Mr. Morrow: If you are beyond 300 feel of the ... Ms. McGrail: I am well beyond 300 feet. Mr. Morrow: Well, then that's why you didn't gel a direct notice. Otherwise it mind because they were going to use it as parking, but not as would have to be posted at City Hall. Ms. McGrail: My question is, how did the 2010 agreement ... Mr. Morrow: Please talk to the Commission. Ms. McGrail: How did that 2010 single lot agreement go from a single lot agreement to a three story agreement? I just dont understand how it happened. Mr. Morrow: It was brought up at the site plan review that they were going to build the parking structure. That's how it was introduced. Ms. McGrail: So they changed their minds? Mr. Morrow: Well, I guess in a large sense you could say they changed their mind because they were going to use it as parking, but not as just a parking lot. They were going to a parking structure. Ms. McGrail: I understand, what the structural change was, but what was the purpose? Mr. Bahr: Mr. Chair, I was just going to say again, this is outside the purview of the rezoning petition tonight. We're back into the site plan. Mr. Morrow: Yes, well, I understand that, buljust so she understands that ... Ms. McGrail: I've lived here since 2009 and I'm just trying to catch up. June 10, 2014 30 Mr. Morrow: But a new plan was brought forward and that's where it changed. It had to go through the approval process to gel that structure. Ms. McGrail: So even though .... Mr. Morrow: Is that structure subject to the Zoning Board of Appeals? I just wanted to be sure. That's where at the site plan review and acceptance, that's where it changed. Ms. McGrail: Okay. I just wanted to make sure that I did understand correctly that even though when the original deal was made between the citizens and McLaren ... Mr. Morrow: They got their zoning but it was never developed. When the new plan came forward, that's introducing the parking structure and the parking zoning. That's the history. Ms. McGrail: So the residents did do the fight thing and agree to a deal that they did gel back-doored on. I just wanted to make sure I understood that correct. Mr. Morrow: Those are your words, not mine. Anyone else? Seeing none, I'm going to close the public hearing, and ask for a motion. On a motion by Bahr, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was #0635-2014 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been held by the City Planning Commission on June 10, 2014, on Petition 2014-05-01-04 submitted by the City Planning Commission, on behalf of the City of Livonia and McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, pursuant to Council Resolution #140-14, and pursuant to Section 23.01(a) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, requesting to rezone property at 20421 Parker Avenue, located on the west side of Parker Avenue between Eight Mile Road and Norfolk Avenue in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 3, from R-3 (One Family Residential) to P (Parking), the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-05-01- 04 be denied for the following reasons: 1. That the proposed rezoning is not needed to serve McLaren Performance Technologies/Linamar, the neighborhood or community; June 10, 2014 31 2. That the anticipated use would unduly tax and conflict with the established and normal traffic flow of the area; 3. That the existing zoning is more consistent with the established pattern of development and character of the adjacent properties; and 4. That P (Parking) zoning is not supported by the Future Land Use Plan which recommends Low Density Residential. FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was given in accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended. Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion? Mr. Wilshaw: I just want to address one comment that we heard from both of these petitions, which was regarding the fact that if the properly was not developed, that zoning would revert back to its original form, which I think was already addressed but I just want to reiterate the fact that site plans that we have presented to us always have a condition that they are null and void after one year if no permits are pulled, but zoning decisions made by the City are permanent. So when property was rezoned to Parking, in the past, even though that wasn't used for parking, that zoning remains Parking. And that's typical. I've never seen anything in this community where there's a condition upon zoning that it reverts back to its previous form if its not used for that purpose. So I just wanted to point that out. Thank you. Mr. Morrow: I appreciate you bringing that forward. It would take another petition to change the zoning. It doesn't automatically revert back. Thank you very much. Ms. McIntyre: Just one additional comment. What does revert back, in addition to site plans being invalid, and this is before this role and before I was on the Zoning Board, it was confusing to me as well. Variances, which are granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals, those are good for a year, or not usually even a year, three months or six months, but those are almost always conditioned that if you don't act on your variance within a certain period of time, those do revert back. So I think that's confusing. Mr. Morrow: That's good information. Is there anybody else for discussion? Seeing none, roll call. June 10, 2014 32 Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. As I said on the last petition, this will be sent back to the City Council advising that we don't think the rezoning is appropriate. They will hold their own hearing. You will have a chance to address it with them, who will make the final determination as to the zoning. We appreciate your coming out tonight and thank you for your input and for your behaviorloo. ITEM #4 PETITION 2014-05-08-09 FAITH BIBLE CHURCH Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Pefition 2014- 05-08-09 submitted by Faith Bible Church requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with a proposal to construct an addition to the church at 34541 Five Mile Road, located on the south side of Five Mile Road between Farmington Road and Fairlane Avenue in the Northwest 114 of Section 21. Mr. Taormina: This is a request to construct an addition to Faith Bible Church which is at the southeast comer of Five Mile and Fairlane Roads. The properly is about three acres in size. It includes 323 feel of frontage on Five Mile Road and about 425 feel of frontage on Fairlane. The zoning is R-3, one family residential. The existing church contains two floors. It is a bi-level design and it is about 10,000 square feel altogether. The main entrance faces Fairlane Avenue and the west half of the site between the church and Faidane contains a U-shaped drive that serves primarily as a drop-off and pickup area. Just south of this U-shaped driveway is the main church parking lot. The existing church building is a rectangular shaped, two-story building. The main entrance to the church is currently along the west side of the building. Access is provided by three different drive approaches along Fairlane. There is no access from Five Mile Road. The original church on the property was approved back in 1958. Since the expansion will not affect the seating in the main sanctuary, this petition is being treated as a permitted use and it is subject only to site plan review. The proposed addition and new entrance would be constructed on the west side of the building. So what we're looking at tonight in this shaded area on the plan is really a new entry vestibule for the church. Currently, due to the split level nature of the building and the fact that the main floor of the church is raised several feet above the surrounding grade, people must enter the church June 10, 2014 33 either by using a set of outside steps or alternatively they can use a wooden barrier -free ramp. This new entrance would enclose the entryway. It would be constructed at grade level so there would be no need for any exterior stairs or ramp inside that entry portion of the building or the vestibule. The people can use a set of stairs or be protected from the weather or they could use a newly installed lift in order to access the church's main assembly area. That addition is about 1,700 square feel, so it would bring the total area up to about 11,750 square feel. Some renderings were provided showing what the addition would look like. This is a view looking from the southwest and maybe northwest towards the main entry. These are the flat elevation views of the same space. You can see the existing building and how it's divided into two levels. With that, Mr. Chairman, I can read out the departmental correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Please Mr. Taormina: There are four items of conespondence. The first dem is from the Engineering Division, dated May 29, 2014, which reads as follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has reviewed the above referenced planning petition. We have no objections to the petition at this time. The proposed plan indicates that project will consist of constructing a new building entrance as well as minor paving additions to the existing parking lot The proposed work does not influence public utilities and will not occur within City rights-of-way, therefore no Engineering Department will be required. The parcel is assigned an address of 34541 Five Mile Road which should be used for any correspondence relating to this project. No legal description has been provided with the petition, therefore the following legal description should be used. Lots 3 thru 9 inclusive of On Subdivision as recorded in Liber 67, Page 24, Wayne County Records. The existing structure is currently serviced by public utilities, which are to remain in place. Should changes to the existing utility leads be needed, the owner will need to submit plans to the Engineering Department to determine if permits will be required. Any storm water discharge from downspouts are to be directed onto open ground as shown on the proposed plans, and not connected to the existing public storm sewer." The letter is signed by David W. Lear, P.E., Civil Engineer II. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated May 30, 2014, which reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in connection with a request to construct an addition to the church on property located at the above referenced address. We have no objections to this proposal." The letter is signed by Daniel Lee, June 10, 2014 34 Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated May 27, 2014, which reads as follows: "1 have reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. 1 have no objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by Joseph Boilos, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection Department, dated June 10, 2014, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the above -referenced petition has been reviewed. The following is noted. (1) The proposed addition must conform to all cunent barrier free codes, building codes and all mechanical codes and standards. This will be addressed further at time of plan review if this project moves forward. (2) No signage has been reviewed at this time. This Department has no further objections to this petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence. Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of the Planning Director? Seeing none, would the pefitioner come forward? You've heard the presentation. We will need your name and address for the record please, and you can add to what you've heard. Tim Terhune, Senior Pastor, Faith Bible Church, 34541 Five Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan 48154. Our architect, William Jarrall. Bill Jarratt, Jarratt Architecture, 108 N. Lafayette, South Lyon, Michigan 48178. Mr. Morrow: Is there anything you'd like to add to what you've heard so far? You might have the architect tell us a little bit about what the building materials are. Mr. Jarrall: We have a couple color pictures if you want to look at them. Mr. Morrow: If you will hold @ right by the podium, they will be able to pick up on the television. Mr. Jarrall: The way we designed this, like you said, its a new entrance for the building and it allows the stairway to the split level and everything to be on the inside, but we're also adding a banner free lift inside there. The space also acts as a gathering area. Newer churches these days they don't really, the older fashioned church usually had the fellowship hall down in the basement and so forth, and I believe that's what we have now. But the idea, nobody ever goes down there. They all gather outside of the sanctuary, so the idea was to create a new look for the building that would be a larger vestibule, but it also becomes a big gathering area for the church when people come and go from the church. Plus the pastor and the congregation June 10, 2014 35 wanted to create a fresh look for the church because the existing church was built back in the '50's and its kind of a more plain look and they wanted to try to do something to contrast it to give the whole church a better appearance and a fresh look. So that was the idea with this. Eventually, they were thinking they'd probably build something over there, a larger sanctuary where this would become the center between where the existing might slay as the classrooms and that kind of thing, and this would be a larger sanctuary or multipurpose larger space at one point. So the idea here is this is going to be like a central location where you can go to the existing and then the new addition in the future. We have some brick here that will somewhat match the existing brick of the building. These will be like concrete round columns in here. Then we have some metal and a combination of things. The roof itself would be just asphalt shingles, more of a traditional look. Here there's lots of glass. This would be the elevation on Five Mile where we have lots of glass and it really creates a dynamic look and something that would attract some attention and has the look of a church. This would be all out of aluminum and so forth. On the west side we're using some E.I.F.S. in there. The only reason we're using it in that area is, because like I said, this would be an area that expands later. So we've designed that wall so it will be easier to punch holes into and so forth in the future so we didn't want to make it all brick at this point. We still did provide some brick along the base to be everything together. But it's going to have a real rich look and it will be into the church nicely, and I think it will be a great asset to the community. Mr. Morrow: Thank you very much. Anything else? Any questions from the Commission? Ms. McIntyre: Do you have some plans too to maybe resurface your parking lot? I walk a lot along Faidane and it looks like the parking lot could use some resurfacing. Mr. Terhune: We did some refurbishing of it a bit this past fall. We repaired some areas. Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Mr. Terhune: To try to buy a little more time, and then when necessary, probably have to mill and do an oveday or something like that, but in the fall, we patched the worst areas, did an overlay. We did remove and replace the entire driveway. We do have one drive that goes from the main parking lot to Five Mile, and that entire driveway from the main parking lot to Five Mile, or to the June 10, 2014 36 sidewalk, was removed and totally replaced with new base to it and also a little bit of expansion of the parking area was done at that time with some diagonal parking along that behind the church and on the east side. Ms. McIntyre: Okay. Mr. Terhune: Then we seal coated and reslriped everything in the original, and hopefully can get a few more years wear out of it. Ms. McIntyre: I understand those are expensive projects, and I probably haven't seen it in the daylight hours without snow on it, but thank you very much. Ms. Smiley: This is phase one. When are you looking to do phase two, the expansion? Mr. Terhune: When the Lord provides a humongous benefactor. This is more kind of a two year project, at least as far as the fundraising that did. We want to hopefully start construction this year on this and do phase one. Then we have another year or so to receive the pledges to pay that off. I wouldn't anticipate anything happening beyond that for probably five years or more. That is a hope and dream, but also with the new entryway, it also gives us a Iitfle bit of flexibility of some things we can do to our existing building to make that more usable. If we decided to go that route we would, we talked with Bill about possibly being able to change the roof and have cathedral ceilings in our existing sanctuary and continue to gel some more life out of that as even a possible option. But with the new addition, phase one as we call it, it may never go beyond that, but we would like to. We would like to have a multipurpose room, kind of a small gymnasium that would be available for use by the community as well as the church, but I dont foresee that happening for at least probably five years. Ms. Smiley: Thank you. I wish you well, and it's a very attractive addition to your church. Mr. Terhune: If you've driven by and have seen what's there now, it wouldn't take much to gel more attractive. Mr. Morrow: The good news is that you've got a good plan. Ms. Smiley: Maybe you should call it retro instead of dated. Thank you very much. ITEM #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,055T"Public Hearings and Regular Meeting Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the Minutes of the 1,055^ Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held on May 27, 2014. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and adopted, ilwas June 10, 2014 37 Mr. Morrow: Any other questions of the petitioner? Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming forward, a motion would be in order. On a motion by McIntyre, seconded by Bahr, and unanimously adopted, it was #0636-2014 RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that Petition 2014-05-08-09 submitted by Faith Bible Church requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, in connection with a proposal to construct an addition to the church at 34541 Five Mile Road, located on the south side of Five Mile Road between Farmington Road and Fairlane Avenue in the Northwest 1/4 of Section 21, be approved subject to the following conditions: 1. That the Site Plan marked At dated May 22, 2014, prepared by Jarrett Architecture is hereby approved and shall be adhered to; 2. That the Building Elevation Plan marked A2 dated May 22, 2014, prepared by Jarraft Architecture is hereby approved and shall be adhered to; 3. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a compatible character, material and color to other exterior materials on the building; and 4. That the specific plans referenced in this approving resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department at the time of application for building permits. Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution. ITEM #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,055T"Public Hearings and Regular Meeting Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the Minutes of the 1,055^ Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held on May 27, 2014. On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and adopted, ilwas June 10, 2014 38 #0637-2014 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 1,055th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on May 27, 2014, are hereby approved. A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following AYES: Taylor, Wilshaw, Bahr, Taylor, Morrow NAYS: None ABSENT: None ABSTAIN: McIntyre Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. ITEM #6 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 406t^ Special Meeting Ms. Smiley, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the Minutes of the 406th Special Regular Meeting held on June 3, 2014. On a motion by Bahr, seconded by Smiley, and unanimously adopted, it was #0638-2014 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 4061 Special Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on June 3, 2014, are hereby approved. A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following: AYES: Bahr, Smiley, McIntyre, Wilshaw, Taylor, Morrow NAYS: None ABSENT: None ABSTAIN: None Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution adopted. On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,056th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held on June 10, 2014, was adjourned at 8:41 p.m. CITY PLANNING COMMISSION Carol A. Smiley, Secretary ATTEST: R. Lee Morrow, Chairman