HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2011-06-07MINUTES OF THE 1,010TH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, June 7, 2011, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 1,010th Public Hearings and Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall,
33000 Civic Center Drive, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Lee Morrow, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Members present: Scott P. Bahr Ashley V. Krueger R. Lee Morrow
Lynda L. Scheel Carol A. Smiley Gerald Taylor
Ian Wilshaw
Members absent: None
Mr. Mark Taormina, Planning Director, and Ms. Margie Watson, Program
Supervisor, were also present.
Chairman Morrow informed the audience that if a petition on lonighfs agenda
involves a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the
City Council who, in tum, will hold its own public hearing and make the final
determination as to whether a pefifion is approved or denied. The Planning
Commission holds the only public hearing on a request for preliminary plat and/or
vacating petition. The Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City
Council for the final determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If
a petition requesting a waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the
petitioner has len days in which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City
Council. Resolutions adopted by the City Planning Commission become
effective seven (7) days after the date of adoption. The Planning Commission
and the professional staff have reviewed each of these pefifions upon their fling.
The staff has furnished the Commission with both approving and denying
resolutions, which the Commission may or may not use depending on the
outcome of the proceedings tonight.
Mr. Morrow: I want to welcome Scott Bahr. This will be his first official act.
He is our new Commissioner. I speak for everyone here. We
welcome you aboard.
Mr. Bahr: Thankyou.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2011-05-02-05 FELLOWSHIP COMMUNITY
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Pefifion 2011-05-
02-05 submitted by Fellowship Community requesting waiver
use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(() of the City of Livonia
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Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to operate a second-hand
store (New 2 U) at 15950 Middlebelt Road, located on the east
side of Middlebell Road between Five Mile Road and Sunnydale
Avenue in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 13.
Mr. Taormina provided background on the item and presented a map showing
the property under petition plus the existing zoning of the surrounding area.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first dem is from
the Engineering Division, dated May 31, 2011, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
Division has reviewed the above -referenced petition. The legal
description provided is correct. The address is confirmed to be
15950 Mldd/ebe# Road." The letter is signed by Kevin G.
Roney, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The second letter is from
the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated May 9, 2011, which
reads as follows: "This office has reviewed the petition
submitted in connection with a request to operate a second-
hand store in a commercial building on property located at the
above referenced address. 1 have no objections to this proposal,
with the following stipulations: (1) The business complies with
NFPA 101, Chapter 37 Existing Mercantile Occupancies. (2)
The Fire Sprinkler System must have an Inspection Document,
from a qualified fire sprinkler inspector, that is less than one
year old showing no deficiencies." The letter is signed by Earl
W. Fesler, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of
Police, dated May 17, 2011, which reads as follows: "I have
reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. The parking
lot has only one poorly marked handicapped space on the south
side of the building. 1 would recommend that two handicapped
spaces be reserved in the front (west) lot. In addition, the
bushes surrounding the entire front (west) lot are creating vision
obstructions and site line safety issues at the sidewalk at the
entrances to the parking lot There is also a collapsed storm
sewer in the southwest comer of the lot. A larger sink hole is
located in the southeast lot that needs to be repaired as well."
The letter is signed by John Gibbs, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau.
The fourth letter is from the Inspection Department, dated June
1, 2011, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your request, the
above -referenced petition has been reviewed. The following is
noted. (1) The current number of parking spaces provided is 51.
The proposed change in use would require that 93 spaces are
to be provided. The spaces are required to be 10' by 20' and
double striped. A variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals
would be required to maintain the number of deficient parking
spaces. (2) With the requirement of 93 parking spaces, four of
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the spaces are required to be barrier free with one of the four
spaces to be van accessible. These parking spaces shall be
property sized, signed and striped. (3) The parking lot shall be
repaired as necessary. (4) The sidewalk located on the
southwest side of the building is cracked and heaved and shall
be repaired or replaced. (5) No signage has been reviewed at
this time. This Department has no further objections to this
petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. The next letter is from Dorothy Bruce,
dated June 2, 2011, who resides at 29218 Broadmoor Street,
which reads as follows: 7 and my neighbors who live behind
the above property are opposed to the above use request. This
sounds like a thrift shop of some sort, clothing? furniture?
machinery? household items? We already have a'second hand
store' two lots south of this parcel known as a Consignment
shop. We are always picking up packing materials in our yards
frem that, plus being subject to loud noise and traffic. Another
shop in the same area opens the vacant buildings around it to
undesirable future business such as pawn shops, resale shops,
thrift stores, etc., that could downgrade surrounding properties.
This is an older neighborhood, well kept and with newer homes
being built within the past five years. We don't want another'old
Michigan Avenue' to start in Livonia. Also, there is already
another 'Buy, Sell, Trade' store around the comer that just
opened, also in Section 13. There are other vacant buildings in
Livonia and these facilities should not be located in one area.
The City Planner could assist Fellowship Community in finding a
more suitable location for their business. The area does not
need a store of this type as it is surrounded by convalescent
and retirement homes, the future Marycrest Senior facility, a
funeral home, dentists' offices, accounting offices, insurance
companies, realtors, food service which includes Steve's
Restaurant, one lot to the south, which was updated with many
dollars spent, and has added a lot to the area. A church is also
adjacent to the lot in question. We do not want a cluster of
resale shops taking over the vacant buildings along this strip.
And there are a number of other vacancies within .that block.
We urge you to vote no on this waiver use request." The letter
is signed by Dorothy Bruce. The next letter is from Ward
Presbyterian Church located in Northville, Michigan, dated May
12, 2011, which reads as follows: 7 would like to recommend to
you Pastor Daryl Ounanian and the plans he is presenting for an
upscale resale store in Livonia. Ward Church is involved in this
plan in several ways. First we have known Pastor Ounanian for
several years. We know of his passion for helping young inner
city children get a quality education that will change their life for
the better. We support his plans for the store for all of the good
that it will do. Also, our church is involved in practical ways. We
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plan to help provide guidance, staffing, and donated items for
the stone. We art= just as concemed as you might be that this
operation would be run in a first class manner. So we plan to be
involved with the look and feel of the store from the very
beginning. We will have volunteers working there, construction
people to create the interior set up, and people supplying items
for resale. We are confident that this stone will benefit the area
by being a place where people can purchase great items at
significant savings. We also are sure that this store will bless
many children. Please feel free to contact me if you have any
questions about the store or our commitment to it. Thank you."
The letter is signed by Rev. Paul Clough, Pastor to the
Community. That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow:
Mr. Taylor and I were out there looking at the furniture store.
Are those parking spaces currently 10 feet by 20 feet?
Mr. Taormina:
They are not striped sufficiently to really mean much. The entire
lot would have to be repaved and restriped, and they would
have to comply with the 10 foot requirement. I don't know if that
would adjust the parking. If those are nine feel and he had to
make them 10 feet, we would probably lose two or three spaces
in the process.
Mr. Morrow:
And the van accessible ....
Mr. Taormina:
That is going to adjust it loo. That's correct.
Mr. Morrow:
So we have 93. That's not a hard and fast number at this point.
Mr. Taormina:
Ninety-three is not a hard and fast number. What exists, 51, is
probably not as well. We'd have to verify that.
Mr. Morrow:
Excuse me. Ninety-three is hard and fast. Its the 51 that is not
hard and fast.
Mr. Taormina:
They are showing 10 feel on the plan. The plan is showing 51
spaces. I'm not sure we would lose one space with the
addifional barrier free spaces that are required. They would be
at 50 or 51 by the time it's fully striped.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you. Are there any other questions for the staff?
Ms. Smiley:
The consignment shop is two or three doors down?
Mr. Taormina:
Yes. I want to say three but I'm not sure.
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Ms. Smiley:
Was this the place the Salvation Army wanted to go into? Didn't
they want to go onto Middlebelt somewhere?
Mr. Morrow:
It was Middlebelt and Seven Mile Roads.
Mr. Taormina:
That was a much earlier petition. They were interested in the
shopping complex at the southwest comer of Middlebelt and
Seven Mile Roads.
Ms. Smiley:
My last question is, Newton Furniture used to only have an
entrance in the veryfront.
Mr. Taormina:
As far as for customers, I believe that is the case. That's
correct.
Ms. Smiley:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
Are there any other questions of the staff? Then we'll ask the
petitioner to come forward. We'll need your name and address
for the record. Feel free to add anything that you've heard so
far and any other comments you would like to make regarding
the pefifion.
Pastor Daryl Ounanian, Fellowship Community. 9540 Bmmell. Detroit, Michigan
48230. I appreciate that. I have a school called Westside
Chrlsfian Academy at 9540 Bramell in the City of Detroit. One
of the things that parochial schools have trouble with is being
able for people to afford tuition. There's only probably five
parochial schools left in the City of Detroit. You could count
them all on one hand, where there was a flourishing probably at
one time of about 150. We have a concern. There are schools
in the State of Michigan, one in particular, that is working to help
supplement tuition. One of those schools is Southfield Chrlstian
and Highland Park Baptist Church. They have an upscale
resale store. What I'd like to emphasize is that this store is
going to be similar to that store. In other words, we want to
make it nice for the community. We don't want it to be
something that's looked at as a negative thing, obviously. What
we want to do is make it upscale resale. So when you walk into
the store, you wouldn't think of it as a second hand shop. We're
not trying to sell a lot of appliances, if any. What we're trying to
do is to sell clothing and household items, but to make it in such
a way ... and I did make some pictures. I took some pictures
of our sister store in Southfield. I included those in my package
just to give you an idea of what we want it to look like because
we don't want to have a negative impact in the community. We
want it to be something very positive. The reason is for us to be
able to take those funds and use those funds to help
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supplement tuition for children in the City of Detroit so we can
keep a parochial school in our city. I, myself, am a resident of
the City of Detroit, born and raised. My dad was a Detroit
fireman for 30 years, and also a carpenter. My son graduated
from this school in 2003 and he is a corporal in the Marines right
now. We have also graduated more young men than young
ladies at our school. So there are a lot of young men that go off
to college. The school has a 17 year history. It's very significant
in the City of Detroit. It has made an impact, and it has made a
difference and allowed young people to come to a school that is
safe and in a loving environment. So what we want to do is to
help keep a parochial school. There are other stores in the
Slate of Michigan similar to Encore, which is in Southfield.
Ours, which is going to be called New 2 U, some in Grand
Rapids, some in Lansing. What they are trying to do is help
supplement the cost of tuition in order to keep their parochial
schools open. I would like to say that the owner of the store is
here today. We signed a lease with him and the lease states
that he is responsible for repairing and striping and making the
parking lot beautiful. So it's resealed. Everything is restriped.
The catch basins are fixed. Then also that the roof is repaired
as well.
Mr. Morrow:
Thank you, Pastor. Does the Commission have any quesfions
of the Pastor?
Ms. Krueger:
Good evening. I can appreciate what you are trying to do at this
store, but you are significantly deficient in parking and that's a
concern to me, as one Commissioner. I wondered if you have
considered other sites for your store.
Rev. Ounanian:
The stores, when you look at the parking, they may not be
heavily ... from the stores that I've seen, and I know the one at
Southfield Christian, there may be 10 cars at a time. They do
pretty well, even with that. There may be 10, 20 cars at the
most, and they are able to, because of the store, and I don't
know if you all have the pictures, but their retail business does
pretty well still. There is a flow but there's probably not more
than 20 cars at a time at their own store. They've mel their
expectations, and the income of that store is probably about
$60,000 a month in retail sales. The parking is not something
that we see as a problem in terms of the amount of people, but
they will come every hour, so many. The parking has not been
a problem in the other stores. I can't see us using that much
parking. That would be nice if we were able to use that much
parking. I don't see us using that much parking space at all. In
terms of the consignment store, Newlon Furniture, the reason
that I like it is because it has a great processing center. So that
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way, there is plenty of room to process clothes and furniture.
Also, what I like about it, it has open space. When you walk in
the store, all the space is open. It's not going to look cluttered.
That's going to be different than other ... a second hand store is
really not going to help us mise the kind of money that we need
to raise. A store that is upscale, also with clothing that is very
nice, will help us. The better our store, which Southfield
Christian was able to create their store to be very nice. That's
why they have the turnover that they have in terms of goods and
materials. We will be picking up some things and bringing them
there, but we're very conscious about the cleanliness and the
orderliness because we're on a mission. It's not just to make
money for ourselves at all. Most of the people that work there
will be volunteers. So the desire is for us to have a good store
to produce as much money as possible. The nicer the store is,
and the better the community ... one other thing that Southfield
Christian does, their Encore store does, they have a senior
citizens day. What they do is they allow senior citizens to come
in and to gel what they want. So certain days they don't charge
them at all. So people can go in there and gel what they need.
On some other days, there may be an organization in the city
that all the proceeds from that day go to that non -prof(. So
that's something that our sister store does as well.
Ms. Krueger:
I just have a few more questions. Currently, the landscaping is
very overgrown. Do you have a plan for that?
Rev. Ounanian:
Oh, yes. Along with the owner of the store, we plan on making
the store visible so that people from the street can see it. So all
the bushes have to look nice. Again, let me say that again. Our
store has to look appealing, and it has to look well kept for
people to come in. The reason for Livonia is because we want
people from Livonia and the surrounding areas to come to the
store.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay. We understand that. I think you've made that clear.
Rev. Ounanian:
I just want to lel you know that, yes, it will be.
Ms. Krueger:
And what is your plan for the landscaping? Are you going to be
replacing items or are you going to be expanding your
landscaping?
Rev. Ounanian:
I think, for right now, to keep it well groomed and to resod it.
Anything that is older looking, and I haven't taken pictures of
that ... there are maybe some wood material that needs to be
replaced.
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Ms. Krueger:
How many employees will you have at any one time working?
Rev. Ounanian:
Mosty volunteers. There will be at least five full time employees,
and the rest will be volunteers.
Ms. Krueger:
Finally, my last question is, can you describe how you're going
to acquire items for the store, how drop-offs work and the hours
that will take place?
Rev. Ounanian:
Most of the items will be given to us by different people. We
have a truck that will bring the items into the store. The hours of
the store, they close pretty early at 6:00 or 7:00 p.m., opens at
9:00 a.m. One of the agreements that I wanted to do before I
took on this project was to get a commitment from Ward
Presbyterian. They said they would help us fill the store. I
believe that they have probably 6,000 members at that church.
Without their commitment, I probably wouldn't have taken on
this project.
Ms. Krueger:
So trucks will be dropping off items?
Rev. Ounanian:
Not trucks, just one truck, and they will pick up those items and
deliver to the back and bring them in. Yes.
Ms. Krueger:
So there will not be any circumstances where people will just be
dropping bags off at the backdoor?
Rev. Ounanian:
Not at all.
Ms. Kruger:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. W Ishaw:
Pastor, you talk about this truck that is going to stop by and drop
things off. Whose truck is it? Is it your truck that goes around
and picks things up?
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. It is. You're not using a third party?
Rev. Ounanian:
No. It's our truck, our store. It will have our name on the side of
R.
Mr. Wlshaw:
I just don't fully understand what the difference is between
upscale resale and a second hand store. You're saying very
adamantly that this is not a second hand store; this is upscale
resale. Explain the difference for me.
Rev. Ounanian:
It is second hand in the sense that the items are used, yes.
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Mr. Wilshaw:
It sounds almost like the difference between a used car and a
certified pre -owned car, which is essentially the same thing.
Explain to me what differentiates your product from a Salvation
Army or a second hand store.
Rev. Ounanian:
I think what brings success from my study in terms of these
second hand retail stores is the quality of how the merchandise
is laid out, and also the appeal when you walk in the building.
From what I've noticed, because there's a kid section, a book
section, different things. From what I found out, is that there are
items that are used, but a lot of the items that would not be sold
are packaged and delivered to other places. So the difference
is that it's the appeal when you walk into the place. They may
be resalable clothes, but they are nice clothes that people will
be attracted to, plus the building, the interior itself will be
attractive. A lot of second hand stores can be cluttered. You
can't move around very well. This will look like a retail store,
and you wouldn't know the difference between this store and a
regular store because the layout would have a lot to do with it.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Now some of this merchandise that is going to come in, the
truck is going to come in and bring bags of clothes and things
like that that you want to put out. How do you define what
clothes you're going to put out versus which sluff you're not
going to accept as you process this? Is that going to happen in
the processing center?
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes.
Mr. W Ishaw:
What's going to happen with the material that you choose not to
put out because it doesn't meet your criteria?
Rev. Ounanian:
What we're going to do is recycle. What we want to do is to ...
everything will be kept in . . we will have a dumpsler, but
mostly everything, that processing center, the attraction that we
had to it, is that most stores like ourselves don't have as large a
processing center. When they don't have as large a processing
center, they have too much. The problem is not enough things.
The problem is there's loo many. Our goal to make this work is
to be getting things in and out. So they will be bundled up and
taken out by our truck and taken to other places so there are not
things that are cluttered in the back. The processing center is
big enough for recycling things. So we want to teach our
students recycling with that as well.
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Mr. Wlshaw:
Are the clothes going to be laundered before they're put out or
are they just going to be put out in the condition you receive
them?
Rev. Ounanian:
Some will be laundered. Believe it or not, we receive a lot of
clothing that is already in dry cleaning bags. A lot of people
have given us things that are already nicely packaged.
Mr. Wilshaw:
I understand that. A lot of times when we've donated things
ourselves, my wife is adamant about making sure they're
laundered before.
Rev. Ounanian:
Exactly. That's what most other people do as well.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Now, this may sound a little gross as you talk about it,
but I think it's worth mentioning. How do you deal with things
such as bed bugs or other things that may come in with this
merchandise that could contaminate the rest of your store?
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes. We will have places where they can be laundered and
cleaned. All the stores, one of the keys things is inspection of
everything and the processing is so important. We'll probably
have about in any given day there will be 10 volunteers that will
be there every day at the store coming in and that will lake up
some of those additional parking spots. They'll lake up the
spots in the back. So there will be 10 to 15 people every day
processing clothes. That's really what is the most important
thing about the whole store.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Well, thanks for educating me on that. I appreciate it.
I'm all set.
Mr. Taylor:
Pastor, I donate to many things like that, like you're talking
about, but they call me. Purple Heart calls maybe once a
month. How do you gel in touch with these people that you're
talking about?
Rev. Ounanian:
In terms of bringing things?
Mr. Taylor:
How do they know the truck is coming?
Rev. Ounanian:
What will happen is that, we'll have, because of the news,
because people will know about the store, I have churches
already that are committed to having their parishioners, like
Ward and other churches in Livonia and Redford and
Farmington, and Bloomfield, that are committed to giving us
clothes. So all we have to do is pick them up. I did have one
church that had a truckload of stuff that they brought to us, and
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that's in storage right now. One of the things about the
processing center, there's really not a problem getting enough
clothes. People will bring those to us, and we'll be able to go
get them. So churches play a large role in the clothes that we
gel, the church community.
Mr. Taylor: Like Purple Heart, can people write that off?
Rev. Ounanian: When they come in, they will gel a donation slip. They have to
put the value of the items on there. We'll list the items and then
they put the value.
Mr. Taylor: It sounds like your cause is very just. I like what you're doing
and what you're doing in Detroit. My problem is its a waiver
use, and we have a used clothes store, whatever you want to
call it, consignment, a few doors down from you. A waiver use
goes with the land. If we give you this waiver use, and for one
reason or another, it doesn't work out for you, then another
person can come in and use that exactly the way you want to
use it, only maybe not at the same lop quality that you want to
use R. That's one of the problems I have.
Rev. Ounanian:
We plan on being there for a long time. I think that really one of
the keys to what we're doing and one of the reasons that I
committed myself to doing this, is not only the success of the
store in Southfield, and the amount of money they're able to put
back into their school, was the success, the commitment of
Ward Presbyterian. I must admit that their commitment, with the
help of making it successful and helping us and the commitment
from the Pastor of Community there, and so we plan on being
there as long as we can. If that store is successful, that store
will be there. And also, if I can use some pastor language, be a
blessing to the community. We don't want it to be something
that's negative. We want it to be something that's positive. We
want to be a blessing to the City of Livonia. I think that the
reason we call it upscale resale, which means it's going to be a
nice retail store. I've been to consignment stores. I've been
around the clutter. I've seen the different things that they have.
I see the space that you can't walk around. I see the stuff that's
Teff out there. That's not what we're trying to do. The more
successful our store is, it will better help our children.
Mr. Taylor:
Doesn't Mr. Wolf still own the store?
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes, he does. Mr. Wolf is right here. If you lel him come down
here, I'd like him to say something if that's all right.
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Mr. Morrow:
That's perfectly all right. Before you do that, is there any other
questions of the Pastor?
Mr. Taormina:
If I heard you correctly, Pastor, you said that your items would
be delivered via a truck that you own. Then I heard you say that
you will be giving out receipts to persons who donate clothing.
Rev. Ounanian:
When they come in. They will be able to drop off some things,
yes.
Mr. Taormina:
So you will be accepting donations.
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes.
Mr. Taormina:
Where will that occur? The area to the rear of the store is
fenced off. Are you going to accept donations at the back of the
store during limited hours? I'm just curious to know how that's
going to be handled. I think that was one of the Commissioner's
earlier questions, and I think maybe you need to expand on that.
Rev. Ounanian:
What we're trying to do is to pick up items from people mostly.
Drop off items, people will be able to do that. The spot that I like
the best is in the rear of the store because it has the largest
doors. So people would go to the rear of the store and come at
certain hours. The fenced in area should be locked so that way
. I dont want to have a store where people are dropping off
stuff in the middle of the night. I don't want to encourage that. I
want to create an atmosphere where we're not encouraging
people to drop stuff off but that we're coming to pick it up.
That's the only way it's got to be. But I think the rear of the
store, on the other side of the fenced in area, would be the best.
Mr. Taormina:
So what you're saying is, you will accept donations only during
store hours.
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes.
Mr. Taormina:
And then your intention is to lock off the back lot when the store
is closed to prevent people from dropping off items at the back
of the store.
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes.
Mr. Taormina:
Thankyou.
Mr. Morrow:
We'll need your name and address for the record.
Mr. WoIF, Wolf Investment
L.L.C., P.O. Box 159, Hamburg, Michigan 48139.
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Mr. Morrow:
The Pastor indicated you had some comments.
Mr. Wolf:
I just wanted to clarify that the reasons why the fence is being
locked right now is because about eight months ago, I was
notified by the Police Department that, unfortunately, there were
people dumping merchandise back there, old bricks and things.
So we secured the area to prevent that from happening. It's
also part of our lease agreement. There was some discussion
regarding the parking lot. It is spelled out in our lease
agreement that I am responsible to bring the parking lot up to a
high level. I already have bids, which I brought with me today,
to fix the damaged catch basins. We will patch up any
damaged asphalt, crack fling, black topping, seal coating, and
restriping the parking lot before the building is occupied.
Mr. Morrow:
Are there any questions?
Mr. Taylor:
The store has been vacant I know for quite a while. The weeds
growing up along the side and in the back, it just does not look
good at all. Are you planning on cleaning all that up?
Mr. Wolf:
Yes. I do have a contract with a company called Tru Green.
They also maintain my building on Schoolcraft. They just have
applied a weed killer product in the cracks.
Mr. Taylor:
The front of the building doesn't look loo bad, a little overgrown.
Mr. Wolf:
The back will also be addressed as far as cutting all the weeds
down.
Mr. Taylor:
The rest of it doesn't look good at all. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
One thing I noticed out there, I guess it would be the south wall.
It looked like it had some white striping where maybe some
repairs had been done. Any there any plans to paint that?
Mr. Wolf:
Yes. As I discussed with Pastor Ounanian, the walls will be
painted. The south wall and the east wall will be painted. I do
have painters already under contract that are ready to go ahead
as soon as everything is approved.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?
Mr. Taylor:
One more. Do you plan on signing a lease with the Pastor?
How does that work?
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Mr. Wolf:
We do have a lease signed at this point. The lease will
commence upon approval from the City.
Mr. Taylor:
And how many year lease would that be?
Mr. Wolf:
Its a three year term with a three year extension.
Mr. Taylor:
Thankyou.
Mr. Morrow:
I think that will do it, Mr. Wolf. I've got one more question for the
Pastor. Ithink you indicated that when the people bring things
in to donate, at that lime you write out a list of all the things that
you've received, and you give it to them and they put the value
on it. Is that what I understood?
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes. That's a requirement. The IRS gives them that opportunity.
Mr. Morrow:
I know some places the donator makes out the list in advance
so they can transcribe it on the donation form.
Rev. Ounanian:
Yes. We have a slip that's already printed, and all we have to
do is fill in the items that they bring in and give it to them.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against the granting of this
petition? These lights are so bright I couldn't see you. Sir, we'll
need your name and address for the record.
Pastor Roderick
Revels, 24736 Graham, Redford, Michigan 48239. Basically,
I'm assisting Pastor Ounanian with the store. I wanted to clarify
a couple of things. I was looking on the internet today, and one
of the things I noticed, a gentleman asked about the difference
between upscale resale and a regular store. Again, we are
getting most of the things ... the quality of the clothes would be
a big difference. I was looking on Manhattan Island. There are
30 upscale resale stores. We're modeling ours after Encore as
well as those stores in New York. They get some of the best
products from some of the well known people. That's going to
be one of our strategies is to get very nice things from political
sports people, and we're going to try to get that kind of product
in our store. We're going to feature some of the things and
people will know that a bishop
or a Detroit Piston has donated a
certain amount of items. So
it's going to be an improved kind of
material that we're doing here. I think that the people behind
there will be proud to come to our store. As far as the striping
and everything with the parking, I was there when I believe
Goodwill just opened a store in Canton. I believe somewhere in
December or earlier this year. They had probably about 50
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parking spots all filled on that day. It was the first day and it was
a madhouse. They had a smaller space than we do, if we're
allowed that is. They were able to handle the traffic. They used
upscale clothing and people did come and see them. I think
we're going to have that kind of store.
Mr. Morrow:
Thank you for your comments. Is there anyone else wishing to
come forward to speak for or against the granting of this
petition? Do you see anybody else? Then I'm going to close the
public hearing and ask the Commission for a motion.
Ms. Krueger:
Mr. Chair, I'm going to make a denying resolution. Before I read
it, I'm going to state that the reason I'm denying it is my big
concern with the parking and because this is a waiver use and it
runs with the land. Twenty years from now, you may not be
around and the store may not be around, and I would be
concerned that a not so upscale retail shop would move in. So
for those reasons, I'm going to make a denying resolution.
On a motion by Krueger, seconded by Taylor, and unanimously adopted, it was
#06-30-2011
RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on June 7, 2011, on
Petition 2011-05-02-05 submitted by Fellowship Community
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(t) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to
operate a second-hand store (New 2 U) at 15950 Middlebelt
Road, located on the east side of Middlebelt Road between Five
Mile Road and Sunnydale Avenue in the Southwest 1/4 of
Section 13, which property is zoned G2, the Planning
Commission does hereby recommend to the City Council that
Petition 2011-05-02-05 be denied for the following reasons:
1. That the petitioner has failed to affirmatively show that the
proposed use is in compliance with all of the special and
general waiver use standards and requirements as set
forth in Sections 11.03 and 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance;
2. That the City is currently well served with similar uses to
that which is being proposed;
3. That the petitioner has failed to demonstrate the need in
the area for the type of commercial service proposed to be
operated on the subject site;
4. That the petitioner has not sufficiently demonstrated that
the proposed use would be compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area;
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5. That the pefifioner has failed to adequately demonstrate
that the facility has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed use; and
6. That the proposed use is contrary to the goals and
objectives of the Zoning Ordinance which, among other
things, are intended to insure suitability and
appropriateness of uses.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carded and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. Pastor, you just heard this was a denying
resolution. In my opening remarks, I indicated that you will have
ten days to appeal that to the City Council who will ultimately
make the final decision if you appeal it.
Rev. Ounanian: All right.
Mr. Morrow: So everything we had here tonight will go forward.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2011-05-02-06 BIGGBY COFFEE
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2011-
05-02-06 submitted by R&B Coffeehouse of Livonia, L.L.C.
requesting waiver use approval pursuant to Section 10.03(i) of
the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to
operate a limited service restaurant (Biggby Coffee) at 33443
Seven Mile Road within the Millennium Plaza shopping center,
located on the south side of Seven Mile Road between
Farmington Road and Irving Boulevard in the Northeast 1/4 of
Section 9.
Mr. Taormina provided background on the item and presented a map showing
the properly under petition plus the existing zoning of the surrounding area.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated May 31, 2011, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
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Division has reviewed the above- eferenced petition. The legal
description provided is comect. The address is confirmed to be
33443 Seven Mile Road for that space to be occupied by Biggby
Coffee." The letter is signed by Kevin G. Roney, P.E., Assistant
City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire &
Rescue Division, dated May 6, 2011, which reads as follows:
"This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in connection
with a request for waiver use approval to operate a limited
service restaurant at the above referenced address. We have
no objections to this proposal" The letter is signed by Earl W.
Fester, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of
Police, dated May 11, 2011, which reads as follows: 'I have
reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. 1 have no
objections to the plans as submitted." The letter is signed by
John Gibbs, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from
the Inspection Department, dated June 1, 2011, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request, the above-eferenced
petition has been reviewed. The following is noted. (1) The
petitioner's proposal is a change in use. This would require that
the proposed space must conform to all cument barrier free
codes, building codes and all mechanical codes and standards.
This will be addressed further at time of plan review if this
project moves forward. (2) No signage has been reviewed at
this time. This Department has no further objections to this
petition." The letter is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant
Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions for the staff?
Ms. Smiley: I'm a little confused about'The petitioner's proposal is a change
in use." So now they need banner free and they didn't have
barrierfree because itwasjewelry store. What's that about?
Mr. Taormina: I think that for purposes of the building code, the change of use
requires certain banner free upgrades, something that maybe
the previous office or some other retail use did not require.
Ms. Smiley: In like restrooms?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. Again, these are all building code issues that they would
have to address at the time of plan review by the Building
Department. It's nothing that really affects significantly the
layout of the store, but there are probably some details that will
have to be remedied.
Ms. Smiley: Okay. Thank you.
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Mr. Morrow: Seeing no other questions of the
staff,
if the
petitioner could
come forward and give us your
name
and
address for the
record.
Robert Perry, 10025 Dorian, Plymouth, Michigan 48170. Hello, I'm Bob Perry.
Mr. Morrow: Are there comments you want to make relative to Mr.
Taormina's presentation or any comments of your own?
Mr. Perry: Its pretty cut and dried. I think Mark pretty well described R. I
don't really have anything else to add. I think the seating is
within the guidelines. We're all set to go. The health
department has approved the plans. The next step is to get the
approval here and then have the plan inspector take a look at it
as well.
Mr. Morrow: Thankyou. Anyquestions of the petitioner?
Mr. Taylor: Have you given any more thought to the outside sealing that
you were talking about?
Mr. Petty: I did lake a look at a couple design experts who could come in
and actually put a plan together for your review. I have not
acted on that yet. I have a couple different options. As I staled
in the study session, my goal is to have that in place for the
Spring of next year. I'm going to take a month or two here and
get a couple people looking at it and quote it out, find out how
much it would cost to have them put the plan together, and then
get that plan together and bring it back to you as we discussed.
Mr. Taylor: Thankyou.
Mr. Wilshaw: You'd be okay with us having the outdoor seating as a callback
item to go over those details once you gel those sorted out?
Mr. Perry: Absolutely.
Mr. Wilshaw: Okay. Just to talk about the number of sealing. You can have
no more than 30 seals total. So explain to us, when you do gel
this outdoor seating, how are you going to make sure that you
slay at 30 seats?
Mr. Perry: We talked about potentially approving up to 10 for the outside
sealing. If I put 10 seals out there, my intention would only be
to put eight. So I would probably only put eight out there. That
means I would have to reduce the inside seating by four chairs.
So I'd have to pull two tables and four chairs out and set them in
the back of the office while I had the seasonal seating out there.
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That will occur in the summer months, maybe early fall, but
once it gels cool, I'll have to take those seats back out. Then I
can bump the seats back up to 30 on the inside or 26 or
whatever.
Mr. W Ishaw:
Okay. So you'll manage that by moving seats in and out.
Mr. Perry:
Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw:
I notice in our proposed resolution there is mention of a grease
container. Do you do anything at Biggby ...
Mr. Perry:
Not at all. There is no grease whatsoever.
Mr. Wilshaw:
No sandwiches or anything that produces grease, or fries or
anything like that?
Mr. Perry:
None.
Mr. Wlshaw:
My question then for Mr. Taormina would be, is that condition
still appropriate or should we leave it in there just in case they
do decide to have grease producing things in the future or can
we exclude condition three?
Mr. Taormina:
I think that can be removed altogether.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Mr. Morrow:
Just one question along that line, Mr. Taormina. Because the
waiver runs with the land, would this be something we would
make an exception for any future tenant, or would they be
bound by some ordinance or code?
Mr. Taormina:
I think that's a very valid point because it's not something that
would typically come back to you for review. If this was to
change to a different style restaurant that did require those
facilities, then maybe we would want to include that condition.
We could just write it that should a grease trap be required for
this use or any future uses. So that's a very good point.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Scheel:
Can you tell me what the hours of operation will be?
Mr. Perry:
It will be 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
Ms. Scheel:
Did you plan on adding any outdoor lighting?
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Mr. Perry: I think when we come back with the outdoor seating plan, we're
going to have to lake a look at lighting, the music. I think we
discussed having a window on the side of the building so we
could actually see out and monitor the outside seating. So that
will be part of when we come back with the callback session. I'll
explain exactly how that works at that time, but I think we're
probably going to need some lighting out there. Fabrizio, is
there already lighting out on that side?
Mr. Pesce: Yes
Mr. Perry:
So there may already be some there.
Mr. Pesce:
There are utility lights, ambient lights.
Mr. Perry:
Is that where your concern was?
Ms. Scheel:
Just to see if you were going to add any further lighting. If
you're not going to plan to do anything until you look at a patio
design, then that's fine. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
Maybe we should have your name and address for the record,
sir.
Fabrizio Pesce,
30508 Munger, Livonia, MI 48154. Good evening. My name is
Fabrizio. I live in Livonia. I am the landlord.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you. Your comments if they appear in the record,
we want to know who made them relative to the lighting.
Mr. Pesce:
Absolutely. Thankyou.
Mr. Taormina:
I do have one question. Mr. Perry, there is only one dumpsler
to service all of the tenants within this shopping complex. Will
there be a need for a second container for your needs?
Mr. Perry:
No. I've been working with Fabrizio. We're going to have the
dumpsler picked up twice a week rather than once a week so
there will be no new dumpsler. It will just be a more frequent
pickup.
Mr. Taormina:
So no changes regarding the trash other than the frequency of
pickup?
Mr. Perry:
That's right. And the bottom line is, the Biggby store doesn't
produce a lot so it's very minimal. We'll be able to accomplish
that pretty easily.
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Mr. Taormina: Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or
against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one coming
forward, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion.
On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and unanimously adopted, it was
#06-31-2011 RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on June 7, 2011, on
Petition 2011-05-02-06 submitted by R&B Coffeehouse of
Livonia, L.L.C. requesting waiver use approval pursuant to
Section 10.03(1) of the City of Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543,
as amended, to operate a limited service restaurant (Biggby
Coffee) at 33443 Seven Mile Road within the Millennium Plaza
shopping center, located on the south side of Seven Mile Road
between Farmington Road and Irving Boulevard in the
Northeast 114 of Section 9, which properly is zoned G2, the
Planning Commission does hereby recommend to the City
Council that Petition 2011-05-02-06 be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the maximum number of customer seats shall not
exceed a total of thirty (30) seats, including a maximum of
len (10) outdoor patio seals;
2. That a fully detailed patio plan, including information
concerning overall dimensions, lighting, perimeter fencing,
furniture, access points and landscaping shall be submitted
for approval to the Planning Commission;
3. That if a grease container is required now or in the future, it
shall be adequately screened from public view either within
the existing dumpster enclosure or within a separate
enclosure;
4. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
and
5. That no LED Iighthand or exposed neon shall be permitted
on the site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows.
Subject to the preceding conditions, this petition is approved for
the following reasons:
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1. That the proposed use complies with all of the special and
general waiver use standards and requirements as set
forth in Sections 10.03 and 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance
#543;
2. That the subject site has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed use; and
3. That the proposed use is compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Ms. Scheel: For Item #3, do we need to put if it so needs it in the future, Mr.
Taormina? Its worded like it needs it right now. Should we add
the words, if it needs it in the future?
Mr. Taormina: Yes. We will modify that language.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution.
ITEM #3 PETITION 2011-05-02-07 MJ'S RESALE SHOP
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2011-
05-02-07 submitted by G&D Properties requesting waiver use
approval pursuant to Section 11.03(() of the City of Livonia
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to operate a second-hand
store (MJ's Resale Shop) at 34385 Plymouth Road located
within the Stark Plaza shopping center, on the south side of
Plymouth Road between Farmington Road and Stark Road in
the Northeast 114 of Section 33.
Mr. Taormina provided background on the item and presented a map showing
the properly under petition plus the existing zoning of the surrounding area.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: There are four items of correspondence. The first item is from
the Engineering Division, dated May 31, 2011, which reads as
follows: "In accordance with your request, the Engineering
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Division has reviewed the above -referenced petition. The legal
description provided is for the overall parcel and is comect. The
address is confirmed to be 34385 Plymouth Road for this
space." The letter is signed by Kevin G. Roney, P.E., Assistant
City Engineer. The second letter is from the Livonia Fire &
Rescue Division, dated May 11, 2011, which reads as follows:
"This office has reviewed the site plan submitted in connection
with a request to operate a second-hand store in a commercial
building on property located at the above referenced address. 1
have no objections to this proposal, with the following
stipulation: The business complies with NFPA 101, chapter 37
Existing Mercantile Occupancies." The letter is signed by Earl
W. Fesler, Fire Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of
Police, dated May 16, 2011, which reads as follows: "1 have
reviewed the plans in connection with the petition. 1 have no
objections to the proposal." The letter is signed by John Gibbs,
Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The fourth letter is from the
Inspection Department, dated June 1, 2011, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request, the above -referenced
petition has been reviewed. The following is noted. (1) The
restroom provided in this space must be accessible to the
public. (2) No signage has been reviewed. This Department
has no further objections to this petition." The letter is signed by
Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the
extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions for the staff? Seeing none, would the
petitioner come forward please?
Craig Gonzalez, G & D Properties, 34389 Plymouth Road, Livonia, Michigan
48150. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I think I just
wanted to discern from the explanation of the use of the space.
We're looking at this concept as a consignment shop. Now,
perhaps that is synonymous with resale in the code, but in a
consignment formal, people bring in clothes that they think have
value, that have been cleaned, and that they would like to
regain some value from by selling it to the public, and maybe
perhaps they don't have the time nor the gumption to do. We'd
like to use social networking with this store, a website, and also
a Facebook page to bring patrons into the store. Our business
model supports that. A large percentage of the product is going
to be catalogued and placed on the internet, and sold over the
internet, and then they would pick up the stuff in the store
because shipping has become so costly. Empowering those
new networks of buying, purchasing, point of purchase, we feel
that this would be a suitable space. It is a much smaller size
than what I've heard about this evening than some of the other
ones in the city. We want to look at it as more of a boutique
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item. We're looking at doing specific price points of $5.00 to
$25.00 for items, and obviously, very discriminating on the
product that is brought into the store and how it's displayed.
Mr.Morrow:
Mr. Taormina, I think we can say a consignment shop is a used
resale shop.
Mr. Taormina:
Il would fall under that category. Its not classified as an antique
store, so it would fall under our definition of second hand stores,
and it does require the waiver use. We've had similar requests.
There was one at Five Mile and Merriman a few years back, a
verysimilar concept to what Mr. Gonzalez is proposing here.
Mr. Morrow:
I think we had one on Plymouth Road too.
Mr. Taormina:
It was a little bit larger though. The one at Five Mile and
Merriman was very similar in size to this.
Ms. Smiley:
My understanding is that the items will be brought there after
you've done your internet sale on them. Are you like a spot
where Craig's List comes and picks up things?
Mr. Gonzalez:
The idea is fluid and we're trying to put together a unique
business model from our perspective that its a hybrid of a
consignment shop. That people bring their sluff in and they
consign it with you for 60 days. We would catalog it for them,
place it on our internet site, and also put it on Craig's List and/or
Ebay if it's that valuable of an item. People would purchase it
over the internet or come in and view it, to feel it tactilely and
see if that would be something that would fl them and see if the
size is right, because sometimes buying over the internet,
there's so many unknowns. People don't want things that they
can't feel or try on. So this, hopefully, makes more opportunities
for people to purchase things.
Ms. Smiley:
Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Krueger:
Do you have any experience with running this type of shop?
Mr. Gonzalez:
I've done estate sales in the past. Thal was more of a weekend
Rem and/or a week item where you have a specialty venue and
like a store front and do a kiosk for several days at a time. I
haven't had one as a permanent location in the past, but I've
done special events for sales.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay. Thank you.
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Ms. Scheel:
You mentioned that people could come in and touch the items,
look at them, and possible try them on. Where will they try them
on?
Mr. Gonzalez:
The restroom was going to be the area. There is a 9' x 6'
bathroom in the facility, and we were going to look at that as a
filling room. There is also a smaller room next to it, but it just
didn't seem suitable for an adult. It didn't seem like there was
enough space for mirrors and a person in that one.
Ms. Scheel:
So the bathroom would serve as a bathroom and a fitting room?
Mr. Gonzalez:
Thatwas the idea. Yes.
Ms. Scheel:
Thankyou.
Ms. Krueger:
I have a question for Mark. Can they do that under the
ordinance, use it for both?
Mr. Taormina:
There is nothing in the zoning ordinance that regulates that.
That would be a building code issue. He will have to address
that at the time of plan review with the Building Department.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay.
Mr. Morrow:
I do have one question. How will you process or handle people
bringing things into the store? I know this is a small scale
operation, but in the past, we had to keep people from bringing
things in through the front door, which would interfere with
normal retail trade. Do you have any plans along that regard?
Mr. Gonzalez:
The premise of the consignment is that people would bring it in
the front door on certain days and it would be processed at the
front counter. Not everything is suitable to be taken in on
consignment. I would just hypothecate that less than half the
sluff will be acceptable just because not everything is saleable,
and we don't have the space nor the room to take in every item.
But to answer your question directly, they would be bringing it in
through the front door under the premise of how this was to be
worked through, and it would be processed at the front counter.
Mr. Morrow:
I guess my biggest concern and maybe it isn't a concern,
normally the ones in the past were bringing in big pieces of
furniture or appliances or something of this nature. Is this
something that you would accept into the store?
Mr. Gonzalez:
We are, again, limited in space as you know and you've
mentioned. What we're thinking of doing and have processed is
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to go to the site where people have larger sets of furniture and
take pictures of it on-site leaving it in the home and signing an
agreement with them and then listing and selling it for them and
then facilitating it to be moved out of their house. It gives you
the opportunity to have the credibility to be able to do that for
people.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wilshaw:
This kind of goes along with the same questions we've heard. I
may be repeating the quesfion somewhat, but is there any
particular niche that you're going for with your store or is it just
going to be a little bit of everything?
Mr. Gonzalez:
The niche with the clothing is more children's and you hear the
commercials on TV and the radios now, Once Upon a Child.
That's become a national phenomenon, and children's and
women's clothes, and I'm not a retailer by nature, but those are
the bulk of the sales of purchases. Men typically don't buy
things as readily as females and mothers of children that need
different sizes. That is probably the focus of the niche. The
small decomtive items for houses would be, and again, because
of the limited space of the doorways and the access, we
wouldn't be staging large pieces of furniture in the properly
other than maybe taking a picture of it on site and taking it back
to the space.
Mr. Wilshaw:
That's kind of where I was headed. I was trying to understand if
this was going to be like Once Upon a Child or Plato's Closet,
which goes after a teen crowd, or if there was some particular
niche. It sounds like its going to be a little more flexible than
that, right?
Mr. Gonzalez:
It would be, but to be specific, again, the bulk of the sales we
are targeting are children's clothes because they are so readily
available and hardly used or wom through. And again, women's
clothing, probably more name brand items and not just other
products.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Thank you.
Ms. Krueger:
I just have a couple more questions. How many employees do
you plan on having working at one time?
Mr. Gonzalez:
Probably no more than three.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay. And you said the processing would take place at the
front counter?
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Mr. Gonzalez:
The processing is minimal in the consignment other than
inspecting the items, signing a contract with the person, having
them walk through the contract and then hanging it on the shelf.
In line with that, there's a window in the back of the room. It
used to be a jewelry shop. They could process it in the back of
the property so it wouldn't clutter the front by the reception area
where they're doing the cash register.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay. Because that's my concern. I have taken things to
consignment shops. The one I've been to has processing in the
back and there's just bags and bags of clothes. That's what I'm
picturing when you say you're going to have the processing up
at the front, and to me, that doesn't make for a very attractive
retail operation.
Mr. Gonzalez:
Yes, I would agree.
Ms. Krueger:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
Any other questions or comments? Then I'm going to go to the
audience. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to
speak for or against the granting of this petition? Seeing no one
coming forward, I will close the public hearing and ask for a
motion.
On a motion by
Scheel, seconded by Taylor, and adopted, it was
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RESOLVED, that pursuant to a Public Hearing having been
held by the City Planning Commission on June 7, 2011, on
Petition 2011-05-02-07 submitted by G&D Properties requesting
waiver use approval pursuant to Section 11.03(() of the City of
Livonia Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended, to operate a
second-hand store (MJ's Resale Shop) at 34385 Plymouth
Road located within the Stark Plaza shopping center, on the
south side of Plymouth Road between Farmington Road and
Stark Road in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 33, which property is
zoned G2, the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
to the City Council that Petition 2011-05-02-07 be denied for the
following reasons:
1. That the petitioner has failed to affirmatively show that the
proposed use is in compliance with all of the special and
general waiver use standards and requirements as set
forth in Sections 11.03 and 19.06 of the Zoning Ordinance;
2. That the City is currently well served with similar uses to
thatwhich is being proposed;
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3. That the petitioner has failed to demonstrate the need in
the area for the type of commercial service proposed to be
operated on the subject site;
4. That the petitioner has not sufficiently demonstrated that
the proposed use would be compatible to and in harmony
with the surrounding uses in the area;
5. That the petitioner has failed to adequately demonstrate
that the facility has the capacity to accommodate the
proposed use; and
6. That the proposed use is contrary to the goals and
objectives of the Zoning Ordinance which, among other
things, are intended to insure suitability and
appropriateness of uses.
FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of the above hearing was
given in accordance with the provisions of Section 19.05 of
Zoning Ordinance #543, as amended.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Scheel, Taylor, Bahr, Krueger, Wilshaw, Morrow
NAYS:
Smiley
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
None
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. As you heard in my opening remarks, this
petition has been denied. However, you have len days in which
to appeal to the City Council in writing, and they will make the
ultimate decision.
Mr. Gonzalez: Okay. Thank you.
ITEM #4 PETMON 2011-05-08-05 UNIQUE DESIGN
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2011-
05-08-05 submitted by Unique Design Services requesting
approval of all plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning
Ordinance in connection with a proposal to renovate the exterior
of the commeroial building at 29419 Six Mile Road, located on
the south side of Six Mile Road between Middlebell Road and
Oporto Street in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 14.
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Mr. Taormina: This is property located near the southwest comer of Middlebelt
and Six Mile Roads. It's a site that is approximately 0.13 acres
in size. It has 55 feet of frontage on Six Mile and a depth of 105
feet. The zoning oflhe property is C-2, General Business. The
site does contain an existing building that is roughly 5,130
square feel in size. The building was most recently occupied by
Shooters Service, which moved across the street into a portion
of the building that was formerly Jimmie's Rustics. The building
is now empty. What the petitioner would like to do is renovate
the structure. Adjacent to it to the east is a small restaurant
called Lefty's, which is zoned G2. Further to the south is the
Teachers Store under the same zoning classification. To the
west is a multi -tenant commercial building and then north,
across Six Mile Road, are several commercial uses, including a
gas station, B&B Pool Supplies and an office building. The
existing building on the site is mostly of block construction. It
has a mansard -style roof on the front and portions of the east
side of the building. Under this petition, only the north and east
elevations, the north being the side of the building facing Six
Mile and the east elevations facing the comer, would undergo a
facelift. The west elevation of the building is attached to the
adjacent multi -tenant commercial building and is not visible.
Also, there are no planned improvements for the rear or south
elevation of the building. This building is somewhat worn and
dated. The existing walls, as I indicated, are constructed out of
blocks that have been painted. The main entrance currently is
on the north side facing Six Mile. There is a storefront window
located along that elevation. I think most of you are familiar with
the painted sign that is located on the east side of the building.
All of that would be modified under the proposal. I will show you
what the elevation plans look like. The building as it exists
today is represented in the two lop side views of the building.
On the top right hand side is the front of the building facing Six
Mile as it looks today. Directly below that is what it would look
like after the improvements. Similarly, on the left hand side of
this drawing up at the top is what it looks like today along the
east side. After the renovations, this is what it would look.
What the improvements consist of would be the placement of a
decorative stone veneer along the base of the building. What
you see here represented in the darker brown coloration is
actually the stone veneer that would be placed mostly along the
base of the building, but you also see where they've continued
that same treatment at the comers of the building on the front
elevation and then in another area along the east side of the
building. The lighter tan areas of the building would consist of
EIFS, which is an exterior insulated finish system that would
extend over the existing block. You can see how the treatments
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that are proposed would actually raise the appearance of the
building height. These would be parapet walls that would
extend the roofline up a bit. In particular along the east side of
the building, they would actually cover up some of the area of
the building where you see multiple offsets. There's actually an
apartment up on the second floor of the building. Some of the
details on extending this roofline up will have to be reviewed
carefully by our Building Inspection Department. There are
windows and access points to that unit. I discussed that issue
with the Building Department today, and they will review that to
make sure it is in compliance with all safely codes. You can see
how the treatment that's proposed along the east side of the
building would actually cover up that portion. It would square off
the building and make it a more consistent height all the way
across. There are also some changes proposed for the site.
The site to the east is Lefty's restaurant. These two properties
are owned in common. They share parking and access as you
can see from this plan. The petitioner is also showing some
additional landscape material along the front of the building.
This area that is highlighted in green is asphalt that currently
runs right along the foundation of the building and butts against
the concrete sidewalk. He would tear out the asphalt and add a
little bit of green space. He would reconfigure some of these
parking spaces along the east side of the building. He is also
looking to add a ground sign here in the northeast corner of the
adjacent properly that would serve to identify not only Lefty's but
whatever future tenant goes in this building. In order for him to
do that to prevent this from being considered an off -premise
sign, we would have to treat this more or less as a planned
development with the two properties. He would have to record
instruments in terms of the ingress and egress, and he would
need a reciprocal easement agreement for both access and
parking between the two properties in order to be eligible to
construct that sign. It may still require some variances
depending on the setbacks and the fact that this building
currently has a nonconforming setback from Six Mile Road. We
typically will not allow a ground sign on a site that doesn't
comply with the front setback requirement. Because this
building doesn't comply, the sign may have to be ultimately
considered by the Zoning Board of Appeals for approval. But
again, the intention here is to construct a sign probably 6 feet in
height and 30 square feet in area, similar to what was done
across the street for the shopping center that was built that has
the LA Insurance and the liquor store. They constructed a sign
on that corner and he wants to do something very similar on the
southwest corner for these two buildings. That is pretty much
the extent of the petition.
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Mr. Morrow: Thankyou.
Mr. Taormina: I'll read the correspondence now, Mr. Chairman. There are four
items of correspondence. The first item is from the Engineering
Division, dated May 31, 2011, which reads as follows: "In
accordance with your request, the Engineering Division has
reviewed the above- efemnced petition. The written legal
description does not agree with the drawn description shown on
the plan sheet provided by Unique Design Services and dated
May 11, 2011. The Architect should review this matter and
make the necessary changes to the plan sheet. The address is
confirmed to be 29419 Six Mile Road for this space." The letter
is signed by Kevin G. Roney, P.E., Assistant City Engineer. The
second letter is from the Livonia Fire & Rescue Division, dated
May 20, 2011, which reads as follows: "This office has
reviewed the petition submitted in connection with a request to
renovate the exterior of a commercial building on property
located at the above referenced address. 1 have no objections to
this proposal." The letter is signed by Earl W. Fester, Fire
Marshal. The third letter is from the Division of Police, dated
May 18, 2011, which reads as follows: 7 have reviewed the
plans in connection with the petition. 1 have no objections to the
proposal." The letter is signed by John Gibbs, Sergeant, Traffic
Bureau. The fourth letter is from the Inspection Department,
dated June 6, 2010, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your
request, the above- eferenced petition has been reviewed. The
following is noted. (1) Signage proposed must meet the
requirements of city's sign ordinance as it relates to the number
of signs, size and location. (2) The petitioner shall submit a
cross parking and cross access agreement to the city for the
two properties involved in this petition. (3) The barrier free
parking space is required to be van accessible. This requires a
minimum of a 5 foot wide hashed access aisle alongside of an
11 foot wide parking space. This space must be property signed
and striped. (4) The windowsropenings proposed to be installed
on the east wall of the structure are not permitted due to the
distance of only four and a half feet between the existing
exterior wall and the property line. This is based on the
Michigan Building code fire separation requirements. This
Department has no further objections to this petition." The letter
is signed by Jerome Hanna, Assistant Director of Inspection.
That is the extent of the correspondence.
Mr. Taormina: Just to go back to Mr. Hanna's Iasi point, what he is referring to,
and I failed to mention this in my opening remarks, but you can
see there are no openings along the east side of the building.
What the petitioner would like to do is move the main entrance
to the store to the east side of the building. He would like to
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increase the amount of store front windows, not only along the
front of this space facing Six Mile Mile, but he would like to add
all these windows along the east side of the building. What Mr.
Hanna is referring to, going back to the site plan, because the
property line runs basically four and half feet away from this
building, the code requires that in order to have openings he
has to have a greater setback. I'm not exactly sure what that
minimum setback is required to be to have that percentage of
openings. I think it's based on the setback and the percentage
of openings. That is something that this petitioner can seek a
variance for, not from the Zoning Board of Appeals, but from the
Michigan Building Code Board of Appeals. He does have the
right to go the Building Code Board of Appeals for a variance
regarding placement of the windows on that side of the building.
That's something that Mr. Hanna and I discussed earlier today.
Thank you.
Mr. Morrow: Are there any questions of Mark?
Mr. Wilshaw:
Mark, to dwell on this issue, obviously that's very disappointing
to hear that, as it stands, the entrance couldn't be moved there
because I think that's an excellent idea. The letter also states
that a barrier free space is required to be van accessible.
Would he be referring to the barrier free spaces that essentially
would be right in front of the entrance that they can't put in - the
barrier free spaces that are on the adjoining property that really
aren't even on his property?
Mr. Taormina:
That is correct. I think what would happen, Mr. Wilshaw, if he's
not allowed to move the entrance, he'd still be required to
provide a van accessible space. Chances are it would have to
be the space closest to the customer entrance, which would be
the north space. He is showing that barrier free space located
here. He would probably have to move it to this location closest
to the entryway.
Mr. Wlshaw:
But in all technicality, he already owns both parcels, but the
reality is that if he was to sell that corner parcel, there wouldn't
even be a space to use. It seems kind of silly.
Mr. Taormina:
That's correct. I think that is all contingent on having a cross
access agreement, as Mr. Hanna pointed out.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Just thinking about these issues, would it be easier for him to
combine the two lots into a single parcel? That way he doesn't
have the issues of the glass and the entrance and the parking
on one unified piece of property. The sign issue at the corner
would be negated.
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Mr. Taormina:
Yes. That is something that we'd have to consider with the
Assessment Department. Typically, where we have separate
users and separate buildings, they want to see them separated
for tax purposes. But I think we can still treat this as a single
development and, hopefully, he would succeed in going before
the Building Code Board of Appeals for this.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. So you think we can go forward assuming that the
entrance is on the east side, all the glazing is there, and the
parking the way it is?
Mr. Taormina:
I think it would be subject to his getting the approval from the
Building Code Board of Appeals. Correct.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Okay. Very good. Thank you.
Mr. Morrow:
Anyone else? Mark, the restaurant known as Lefty's, there is no
upgrade to that?
Mr. Taormina:
The building, no, but the site, yes. We don't have the details yet
on the comer, but I'm not sure if he proposing to grass this area.
This area is currently not being utilized for parking. It would
make sense to me that we would ask him to provide
landscaping around the sign as part of the improvements to the
adjoining site in order for him to get the benefits of a sign at that
corner.
Mr. Morrow:
Okay. Thank you. If there are no other questions, if the
petitioner could come forward please. We'll need your name
and address please.
Ron Khamou,
Unique Design Services, 28103 Everett, Southfield, Michigan
48076. The reason I'm here, basically, what we're doing here is
improvement for previously Shooters Service building that has
been vacant for the Iasi two or three weeks. Everybody who
ever sees this building I believe will agree with me, if we keep it
the way it is, I think nobody will want to lease it or use it for any
reasons. So after all the improvements we're doing, hopefully
will make this building better and could be a step ahead for
someone who can use it. As Mark said, we are not doing the
major renovation for inside the building, more than taking the
ceiling out to make it look big. Hopefully, we try to put in as
many windows and openings per the building code to make
more natural light inside. We are not increasing any square
footage of the building. We are trying to just elevate the parapet
of the building so it will look all around like a box. The stone
that we're using will be decorative stone, quality stone. We will
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be using it in the dark brownish area. The other side will be all
dryvit, stucco. Regarding the site plan, there is like a greenbelt
in front, the elevation facing Middlebelt, the east elevation,
we've taken out and take advantage of that area by adding one
more parking spot. And you were right about the location of the
handicap. It should be in front close to the window. I believe by
relocating the entrance to that elevation will be better because
all the parking, convenience for the people just to get in there,
and more convenience and safety. In order to keep the
percentage of the landscape, we're adding the greenbelt to the
east elevation. If there is any issue regarding the design, I will
be really pleased to cover it.
Mr. Morrow:
Thank you. Are there any questions?
Ms. Smiley:
Are you interested in doing some landscaping around the sign?
Mr. Khamou:
That is correct. We're going to make it more visible and more
greenish area.
Ms. Smiley:
Forgive me. Shooters. Did you have a shooting range in there?
Mr. Khamou:
The Shooters Service, I believe they are no longer there. It has
been vacant for the last two or three weeks. They moved
across the street. We're trying to do a retail store. The owner
behind me, he decides to put either a clothing store or medical
equipment or gift shop. It will just make the building better for
the customer to come in. To make the corner nicer, it's really a
nice corner the way it is I think.
Ms. Smiley:
I agree with you totally. I'm not going to miss that deer getting
shot at all. But what I'm asking you is, was there a shooting
range inside there?
Mr. Morrow:
No.
Mr. Khamou:
No. Just selling guns and bullets and sluff like that.
Ms. Smiley:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Wlshaw:
Sir, you understood what we talked about earlier with the fact
that you'd have to go to the Michigan Building Code Board of
Appeals to gel an appeal for having your entrance on the east
side of the building, correct?
Mr. Khamou:
That's correct.
Mr. Wlshaw:
And you're going to do that?
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Mr. Khamou:
Actually, I will discuss my option with the owner. If he agrees to
keep it the way it is, it will make our problem easier. Otherwise,
if he really insists to go in that direction, we will follow that way.
Mr. Wilshaw:
The approving resolution, if it's offered tonight, will be based on
your plan of having the door and the windows over on the east
side. So obviously if for some reason you lost your appeal or
you chose not to go down that road, you'd have to bring a
different site plan to us because it would substantially change
the appearance of the building.
Mr. Khamou:
I understand. Thankyou.
Mr. Wlshaw:
The other question was, the apartment that's on the roof right
now, is that occupied?
Mr. Khamou:
Yes.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Is this going to box in that apartment in any way that makes it
unrenlable?
Mr. Khamou:
Actually, we're not touching any access of the lighting that goes
to that building. There will be more than a 10 fool difference
between the parapet and the face of wall where the window is
located. So there is some kind of open space in between.
Mr. Wlshaw:
Hopefully, it's more than four and half feet because apparently
the building code doesn't lel you ...
Mr. Khamou:
More than 10 feel, I believe.
Mr. Taormina:
Just a point of clarification, and I misspoke. It's not the
Michigan Building Code Board of Appeals. It's a local body that
would review it, not something that he has to go to Lansing for
that I'm aware of. I think it can be handled locally.
Mr. Khamou:
I just want to mention something. We try to keep the height of
the elevation the same height that's in corner with the
apartment. That will be consistent all the way around. That's
the reason. We're not elevating more than that comer height.
Mr. Wlshaw:
Very good. Well, it looks like an excellent upgrade to the
building. I really like the material that you just showed, and also
the concept of using that east entrance as the primary entrance.
I think that's a great idea.
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Mr. Khamou:
Thank you. I will see what my chances are to keep that
entrance to that elevation and see how it goes.
Mr. Wilshaw:
Good luck with that.
Ms. Smiley:
I guess I'm a little confused. You're going to take the wall up
but its not going to block their window because there's going to
be 10 feel of space between the apartment and wall?
Mr. Khamou:
Basically, there is an apartment sifting almost in the middle of
the roof area. The elevation wall goes this way. Pretend this is
the apartment with the window. There is this wall coming here.
What we're going, we're going straight having this wall go all the
way around the building.
Mr. Taormina:
If I can explain it, and unfortunately, it doesn't really show on
this elevation view. There is a difference. This wall right here
extends further east than this wall, which is where the windows
of the apartment are. By extending this wall up, there is still a
space between the two walls because the apartment wall is
offset a few feet. There is still going to be a space between the
parapet wall and the block window. This would appear to be a
porch within the apartment, and then there are more windows
on the other side, and there are windows on the south side of
the building. This will not be completely blocked off. There will
be just a small space between the parapet and this window.
Mr. Khamou:
I just want to clarify something. The reason I didn't shade the
wall, the white wall with the window, just to show this is not part
of this wall.
Ms. Smiley:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Taylor:
I agree with you, but when you look out that window from inside,
you're going to be looking at a wall.
Mr. Khamou:
That's correct.
Mr. Taylor:
That seems kind of strange.
Mr. Khamou:
We talked to the tenant and they are willing to write a letter and
agree about any improvements.
Mr. Taylor:
You might want to put a glass block wall in there.
Mr. Khamou:
Thats correct. That will be another option to do, but we are just
trying to be consistent now to have all the building elevation in
one unit. If necessary, we will end up putting glass, yes.
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Mr. Taylor:
Your renovation of the building looks great. It sounds like you
have a few fences to jump over before you're going to make it,
but good luck to you.
Mr. Khamou:
Thanks.
Mr. Morrow:
If there is nothing more, I'm going to ask for a motion.
On a motion by Wilshaw, seconded by Scheel, and unanimously adopted, it was
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RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission does hereby
recommend to the City Council that Petition 2011-05-08-05
submitted by Unique Design Services requesting approval of all
plans required by Section 18.58 of the Zoning Ordinance in
connection with a proposal to renovate the exterior of the
commercial building at 29419 Six Mile Road, located on the
south side of Six Mile Road between Middlebell Road and
Oporto Street in the Northeast 1/4 of Section 14, be approved
subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Site Plan, Floor Plan & Survey Plan marked Sheet
A-1 dated May 11, 2011, prepared by Unique Design
Services, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That the Building Elevations Plan marked Sheet A-2 dated
May 11, 2011, prepared by Unique Design Services, is
hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
3. That all rooftop mechanical equipment shall be concealed
from public view on all sides by screening that shall be of a
compatible character, material and color to other exterior
materials on the building;
4. That only conforming signage is approved with this petition,
and any additional signage shall be separately submitted
for review and approval by the Zoning Board of Appeals;
5. That no LED Iighthand or exposed neon shall be permitted
on this site including, but not limited to, the building or
around the windows;
6. That a Landscape Plan shall be submitted for approval by
the Planning Department to include the area around the
proposed sign;
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7. That approval is granted by the Building Code Board of
Appeals for window and door openings on the east side of
the building;
8. That the specific plans referenced in this approving
resolution shall be submitted to the Inspection Department
at the time the building permits are applied for; and,
9. Pursuant to Section 19.10 of Ordinance #543, the Zoning
Ordinance of the City of Livonia, this approval is valid for a
period of one year only from the date of approval by City
Council, and unless a building permit is obtained, this
approval shall be null and void at the expiration of said
period.
Mr. Morrow: Is there any discussion?
Mr. Taormina: If we could possibly add an amendment to the motion, if the
maker would agree, that a landscape plan be submitted to the
Planning Department for approval to include the area around
the proposed sign. I would also suggest that a condition be
added that this be subject to approval of the Building Code
Board of Appeals for the windows and doorway openings along
the east side of the building.
Mr. Wilshaw: Those sound good to me.
Ms. Scheel: Yes.
Mr. Morrow: So be it.
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted. It will go on to City Council with an
approving resolution. We wish you good luck.
Mr. Khamou: Thank you very much.
ITEM #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1,009'" Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the
Minutes of the 1,009'" Public Hearings and Regular Meeting
held on May 10, 2011.
On a motion by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and adopted, it was
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#06-34-2011 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the 1,009'" Public Hearings
and Regular Meeting held by the Planning Commission on May
10, 2011, are hereby approved.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Taylor, Wilshaw, Smiley, Kruger, Morrow
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
Bahr, Scheel
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the motion is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
ITEM #6 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 400" Special Meeting
Ms. Scheel, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Approval of the
Minutes of the 400'" Special Meeting held on May 31, 2011.
On a mo0on by Taylor, seconded by Wilshaw, and adopted, it was
#06-35-2011 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the 400" Special Meeting held
by the Planning Commission on May 31, 2011, are hereby
approved.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Taylor, Wilshaw, Smiley, Kruger, Scheel, Morrow
NAYS:
None
ABSENT:
None
ABSTAIN:
Bahr
Mr. Morrow, Chairman, declared the moton is carried and the foregoing
resolution adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 1,010'" Public
Hearings and Regular Meeting held on June 7, 2011, was adjourned at 8:56 p.m.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
Lynda L. Scheel, Secretary
ATTEST:
R. Lee Morrow, Chairman