HomeMy WebLinkAboutPLANNING MINUTES 2002-09-10TWIT, I
MINUTES OF THE 8501M1 REGULAR MEETING
HELD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF LIVONIA
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, the City Planning Commission of the City of Livonia
held its 8501" Regular Meeting in the Livonia City Hall, 33000 Civic Center Drive,
Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. James McCann, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
Members present: James C. McCann Dan Piercecchi H. G. Shane
Robert Alanskas William LaPine John Pastor
John Walsh
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Messrs. Mark Taormina, Planning Director; At Nowak, Planner IV, Scott Miller, Planner
III; and Bill Poppenger, Planner, were also present.
Chairman McCann informed the audience that if a petition on lonighfs agenda involves
a rezoning request, this Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council
who, in tum, will hold its own public hearing and make the final determination as to
whether a petition is approved or denied. The Planning Commission holds the only
public hearing on a request for preliminary plat anrllor vacating petition. The
Commission's recommendation is forwarded to the City Council for the final
determination as to whether a plat is accepted or rejected. If a petition requesting a
waiver of use or site plan approval is denied tonight, the petitioner has ten days in
which to appeal the decision, in writing, to the City Council. Resolutions adopted by the
City Planning Commission become effective seven (7) days after the date of adoption.
The Planning Commission and the professional staff have reviewed each of these
petitions upon their fling. The staff has furnished the Commission with both approving
and denying resolutions, which the Commission may, or may not, use depending on
the outcome of the proceedings tonight.
ITEM #1 PETITION 2002-01-08-04 CURTIS CREEK CONDOS
Mr. Piercecchi, Secretary, announced the first item on the agenda, Petition 2002-01-08-
04 submitted by Vincent and Frances DeSanto, on behalf of Curtis
Creek Site Condominiums, requesting approval of a landscape plan
and entrance marker for the site condominiums located at 29967
Curtis Road in the Southeast%of Section 11.
Mr. Miller: This site is located on the south side of Curtis between Middlebelt and
Merriman. On March 27, 2002, Curtis Creek Site Condominiums
received site plan approval. As part of that approval, it was
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conditioned that an Entrance Marker Applicalion shall be submitted to
the Planning Commission and City Council for their review and
approval and that a landscaping plan shall be submitted for review by
the Planning Commission and City Council and shall include detailed
landscaping for the detention basin. In compliance with these
requirements, an entrance marker application and landscape plan has
been submitted. Signage is summarized as follows: Signage
permitted for this site under Section 18.50E includes one entranceway
sign not to exceed 20 sq. ft. in sign area or five feet in height, setback
10 feet from any right-of-way line, and shall be constructed out of
natural materials. The proposed signage is for one entrance marker,
20 square feel in sign area, four feel in height, with a setback of five
feet from Curtis Avenue and constructed out of brick with aluminum
lettering. It would be deficient five feet in the setback. The entrance
marker would be located in the boulevard entrance island. Because
the sign is only setback from Curbs Avenue five feet, the petitioner
would have to be granted a variance from the Zoning Board of
Appeals for deficient setback. The landscape plans include the areas
next to the entrance drive off Curtis Avenue, the cul-de-sac island of
the subdivision's street and the area of the detention basin. The area
around the entrance drive would be sparsely planted with ten red
maple trees and eight scotch pines. A note on the plan indicates that
the boulevard entrance island would be maintenance -free and include
items such as rock or bark or other zero maintenance ground cover.
The plan does not mention if any of the greenbelt areas next to the
entrance would be irrigated. The cul-de-sac island would be planted
with a mixture of shablow service berry trees, white spireas, junipers
and dwarf burning bushes. A note on the plan states that the island
would be irrigated. The landscape plan for the detention basin shows
that its outer edge would be planted with 12 red maples and 12 scotch
pines.
Mr. McCann: Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina: There is one item of correspondence from the Inspection Department,
dated September 4, 2002, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your
request of August 20, 2002, the above referenced Petition has been
reviewed. The following is noted. 1. Then= is no distance specified
from the right-of-way to the signage. The signage should be located
at 10 feet or greater from the nghtof-way. 2. The boulevard entrance
island has a specification of bank as zero maintenance. It may be low
maintenance, but it is not maintenance -free. 3. There is no detail as
to the type of road at the entrance. If this median strip is within a
public divided lane entrance, the sign must also obtain approval from
the Zoning Board of Appeals. This Department has no further
objections to this Petition." The letter is signed by Alex Bishop,
Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
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Mr. McCann:
Is the petitioner here this evening? Is there anything you would like to
tell the Commission about your landscape plan?
Vicenl DeSanto, 25937 W. Eight Mile, Redford, Michigan. No, not really. I pay people
to do this. I'm probably not any more familiar with it than you. I just
trust that they do a very good job. If there's a problem, I'm sure theyll
correct it.
Mr. McCann:
Thankyou. Are there any questions from the Commissioners?
Mr. Pieroecchi:
Is there any reason why the greenbelt areas next to the entrance are
not irrigated? Would they be irrigated?
Mr. DeSanto:
Not unless it's specified on this plan.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
That's why I'm bringing up this point. Do you plan on irrigating those?
Mr. DeSanto:
I would say so because if he missed that, then it would be induced.
My son does inigation. It would not be a big thing. And if its a
stipulation, it would be approved. We would do it.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
So you would irrigate those areas then?
Mr. DeSanto:
Yes. Especially when you plant new trees and shrubs, it would have
to be irrigated.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
Now the maintenance -flee...
Mr. DeSanto:
I think it was probably intended to be low maintenance. I agree with
Mr. Taormina that nothing is totally maintenance -free.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
I'm talking about the island.
Mr. DeSanto:
Yes, the island.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
Basically, I know what you're talking about. But don't rods get pulled
out of there and go al l over helter skelter?
Mr. DeSanto:
What?
Mr. Pieroecchi:
If you put stones ... is that what you're talking about ...and the red
mulch in there?
Mr. DeSanto:
I think you're talking about stone mulch, which is a permanent thing. I
have it now, and its like a lava. I don't want to say that red kind of
lava, but its a stone and it does not need replacing. I've had it for 15
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years now, and its pretty good. Its not mulch that you have to
replace every year.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
Ifs like volcanic -type rock?
Mr. DeSanto:
Yes, I would say so.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
All right.
Mr. Alanskas:
Just a question regarding the setback. You show five feet. We
wanted to make than ten feet. It has to be ten feel.
Mr. DeSanto:
Thais not a problem.
Mr. Alanskas:
You've got a lot of room for that.
Mr. DeSanto:
There's a lot of property there.
Mr. Alanskas:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. McCann:
Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against
this petition? Seeing no one, a motion is in order.
On a motion by
Mr. Pastor, seconded by Mr. Shane, and unanimously approved, it was
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RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
to the City Council that the request for approval of a landscape plan
and entrance marker in connection with Petition 2002-01-08-04,
submitted by Vincent and Frances DeSanto, on behalf of Curtis Creek
Site Condominiums located at 29967 Curtis Road in the Southeast %
of Section 11, be approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Landscape Plan for the entrance area marked Sheet 1
dated July 31, 2002, prepared by Jarrett-MillsSchron and
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
2. That the entrance marker and its location, as shown on the
approved plan is hereby approved and shall be adhered to,
except for the fact that the sign shall be setback at least 10 feel
from the right-of-way line;
3. That the Landscape Plan for the cul-de-sac island marked Sheet
1 dated August 1, 2002, prepared by Jarrett-MillsSchron and
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
4. That the Landscape Plan for the detention basin marked Sheet 1
dated August 1, 2002, prepared by Jarrett-MillsSchron and
Associates, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to, except
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for the fad that addifional trees shall be planted to the
satisfaction ofthe Planning Director;
5. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydroseeding;
6. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas, and all planted materials shall be
installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection Department and
thereafter permanently maintained in a healthy condition;
7. That the brick used in the construction of the entrance marker
shall be full face 4 inch brick, no exceptions;
8. That if the road of the development is dedicated to the City of
Livonia and is designated a public street, the sign must obtain
approval from the Zoning Board of Appeals in order to be located
within the median strip of a publicdivided lane entrance, and
9. That the specific plans referenced in this approving resolution
shall be submitted to the Inspection Department at the time the
building permits are applied for.
Mr. McCann:
Is there any discussion?
Mr. LaPine:
Just a question for Mr. Taormina. On Item 8 where they talk about the
road development being dedicated to the City of Livonia and going to
the ZBA to get a variance for the sign, is that based on the sign being
back ten feet? Will that be determined prior to whenever they put the
foot rigs in for that sign?
Mr. Taormina:
No. That's actually a separate item. The setback is one issue that
was addressed in Item 2, and they should not require any variance if
the sign is moved back. The second issue is the location of the sign
within the public right-of-way. This would require the authorization of
the Zoning Board of Appeals. Apparentty, that's an issue that the
Zoning Board looks at quite often whenever a sign is actually placed
within the median of a boulevard entrance.
Mr. LaPine:
Then does he have to go to the ZBA to get a variance at this point?
Mr. Taormina:
Yes. As I understand it, that is cored.
Mr. Pastor:
Only if he is dedicating the road to the City.
Mr. LaPine:
If the road is not dedicated to the City, then he doesn't have to?
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Mr. Taormina: That's right. But it's likely that it will be a public right -of way in this
case.
Mr. Pastor: I would agree.
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go onto City Council with an approving resolution.
ITEM #2 PETITION 2002-08-0848 TRI -WEST DEVELOPMENT
Mr. Pieroecchi, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petifion 2002-08-
08-18, submitted by Tri -West Development Company requesting
approval of all plans required by Section 18.47 of the Zoning
Ordinance in connection with a proposal to construct an office
complex on properly located at 19337 Farmington Road in the
Southeast %of Section 4.
Mr. Miller: This site is located on the west side of Farmington between Seven
Mile and Norfolk. This site is located between a McDonald's
Restaurant to the south and the Deerfield Woods Apartments to the
north. The Seven -Farmington Shopping Center is located just south
of the restaurant. In September of 2000, the City rezoned the subject
property from PL (Public Lands) to OS (Office Services) and sold the
property to Tri -West Development. The petitioner is requesting
approval to construct an office complex on the former Fire Station #3
site. The proposed office complex would consist of three separate
buildings, inducing two new buildings and the renovation of the former
fire station. The station, identified on the plans as Building "A,"
contains approximately 5,901 sq. ft. of floor area and would be
converted for general office type uses. Building "B" would be located
just south of the former fire station and would have the same setback
from Farmington Road. Building "B" measures 4,004 sq. ft. in size
and may contain a mix of both medical and office type uses. Building
"C" would be located along the rear (west property line) of the site.
This building would be for general office type tenants and would be
6,003 sq. ft. in size. Access to the site would be by a single drive off
Farmington Road. Parking would be available in front of buildings "A"
and "B" and via a two-way drive between the buildings, permit access
to a larger parking lot behind the buildings and in front of building "C"
Parking is summarized as follows: required parking for general office
is one space for each 200 sq. ft. of floor area; required parking for
medical office is one space for each 75 sq. ft. of floor area and one
space for each employee; required parking for general office space is
82 spaces; provided parking is 89 spaces. The Landscape plan is
showing a greenbelt along the north property line and also along the
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east property line. Because they both abut residenlial property, they
are required to have a protective wall. The petitioner is requesting
that it be waived in lieu of the greenbelt. The plan shays 22.5% of the
site landscaped which exceeds the required 15%. The Elevation
Plans show that all three buildings will have similar architectural
characteristics. The scale, design and selection of building materials
has been based largely on the old fire station building, which is
constructed primarily of brick. The large overhead door on the east
elevation of the station would be replaced with face brick and new
glass windows. A new entranceway with an arch awning would be
installed on the south elevation. Building "B" shows a combination of
brick and scored split -face block. It would have large window sections
grouped together, similar to Building "A." Building "C" would be
constructed out of brick on its front and rear elevations and a
combination brick and scored block on both its side elevations. The
same large window groupings would be incorporated and arch
awnings would be installed over its entranceways.
Mr.
Pieroecchi:
Doesthat showthe back ofthe buildingwhich would facewest?
Mr.
Miller:
You mean Building B?
Mr.
Pastor:
Building C.
Mr.
Pieroecchi:
Is the elevation facing west?
Mr.
Miller:
Yes, this is the east elevation so itwould face west. Right.
Mr.
Pieroecchi:
That faces west. And facing east is...
Mr.
Miller:
Well, he said the elevations were basically the same. That's why he's
only showing two.
Mr.
Pieroecchi:
I can see that elevation shows the one end, but I'm talking about the
protective wall, or the landscaping or the greenbelt. Is that the
elevation that is going to face that?
Mr.
Miller:
This is the elevation that faces out towards the parking lot. The
petitioner has stated that basically it will have the same type of look on
the other side. That's why he's only presenting two.
Mr.
Piercecchi:
In other words, that elevation represents both sides; east and west?
Mr.
Miller:
Right.
Mr.
La Pine:
Back to Building C...
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Mr. McCann:
Can I go to Mr. Taormina first to get the correspondence and then we
will come back to this?
Mr. LaPine:
Thais fine with me.
Mr. McCann:
But you know what, we've got him up there. Bill, go ahead.
Mr. LaPine:
On Building C, will the back side that faces the residential area be
looking exactly like the east side that faces Farmington Road?
Mr. Miller:
Right, or similar. It might not have the doorways, but supposedly ifs
going to have the windows. It will look similar to that.
Mr. McCann:
Mark, is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina:
There are three items of correspondence. The first item is from the
Engineering Division, dated September 3, 2002, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request, the Engineering Division has
reviewed the above- ferenced petition. We have no objections to the
proposal at this time. It would appear that the petitioneris planning on
splitting the parcel into three parcels. If this is the case, three
separate sanitary leads or a main line sanitary sewer will be required.
The drive approach to Farmington Road requires Wayne County
approval and this site is subject to the Wayne County Storm Water
Management Ordinance. We trust that this will provide you with the
information requested." The letter is signed by Robert J. Schron, P.E.,
City Engineer. The second letter is from the Division of Police, dated
September 5, 2002, which reads as follows: "We have reviewed the
plans regarding the proposal to construct an office complex on
property located at 19337 Farmington Road. We submit the following
recommendations for your consideration: (1) Parcel 'A' contains 29
parking spaces. Therefore two handicap parking spaces are required.
Only one handicap space has been proposed. (2) Parcel'C'requires
24 parking spaces. Only 23 parking spaces are proposed. (3)
Handicap ramps or cutouts from the parking area to the concrete
walks should be required for handicap accessibility. (4) All handicap
spaces must be individually signed per city ordinance. (5) A Fire Lane
should be designated for the driveway area between buildings in
parcel 'A' and 'B' so that emergency vehicles have an unobstructed
access to the rear of the complex. (6) A stop sign should be installed
at the driveway for exiting vehicles to require motorists to stop before
crossing the sidewalk. (7) There should be exterior lighting for the
north side of building 'B' to light up the driveway and sidewalk. (8)
There should be exterior -lighting on the west side of the building'C' for
crime prevention considerations." The letter is signed by Wesley
McKee, Sergeant, Traffic Bureau. The third letter is from the
Inspection Department, dated September 4, 2002, which reads as
follows: "Pursuant to your request of August 20, 2002, the above
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referenced Petition has been reviewed. The following is noted. (1)
The site will need to be combined and split into three parcels with all
appropriate easements to provide perpetual ingress and egress for the
three proposed parcels. (2) Although the total site parking provided is
sufficient, the parking on site C is deficient, and therefore, will require
a perpetual parking agreement with Unit B. (3) The existing building,
Unit A, will need to meet all current barrier -free codes due to its
change of use. (4) The parking lot must be denoted as double striped.
Unit A requires two accessible spaces not one. The ratio is from
parking provided, not parking required. (5) As proposed Unit B,
office/medical, meets accessible parking requirements. However, if
the use becomes rehabilitation or outpatient physical therapy facilities,
then the required accessible parking becomes seven spaces, instead
of two. (6) The proposed six feet tall screen wall should be stepped
down to three feet tall at its eastern ten feet (north property line). This
Department has no further objections to this Petition." The letter is
signed by Alex Bishop, Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the
extent of the correspondence.
Mr. McCann: Is the pefifioner here this evening?
Sam Baki, Tri -West Development, 36800 Seven Mile Road, Livonia, Michigan 48152.
We are proposing to place three office sites on two parcels where the
old fire station existed along with the house next door. We will be
coming back at a later date to go to the City Council to combine and
split the property if this site is approved as planned. We are proposing
this principle by having three buildings because we found out that a lot
of users are looking for small site buildings for offices instead of going
into a large office complex. This property is 1.84 acres, I believe, and
will accommodate up to 16,000 to 20,000 square feel if it was one
building. Here we have a total of approximately 16,000 square feel.
We are proposing two buildings and saving the existing fire station
with some remodeling on the exterior to accommodate for office use.
We're coming from the north side as a main entrance because by
doing that we can subdivide the interior of that building to three office
spaces without changing any structural to the building. The second
building on Parcel B at 4,000 square feet is to allow for additional
parking. We're talking to different prospects at this time for a medical
use, so we proposed it has as half and half which is like 2,000 square
feel medical, 2,000 regular office. The reason we came up with it to
allow for more parking is to accommodate for that use. the back
building we left at 6,000 square feet for general office use. We're
asking if we can, if possible, to waive the screen wall to put more
landscaping surrounding that area for the neighboring property.
Mr. McCann: Are there anyquestions from the Commissioners?
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Mr. Shane:
With Building C, I'm a litlle bit concerned about the setback from the
rear property line. Is there any reason why that building couldn't be a
little bit shallower, say 40 feet instead of 49 feet, to gain an extra nine
feet of rear setback?
Mr. Baki:
That would encroach on the parking. If will affect our parking setup.
What we tried to do, if you notice in the front, we tried to save as much
landscaping for the front. If we do that, allow more in the back, then
we're going to have to take it in the front somehow to allow for more
parking. That's the reason we came up with that kind of principle to
put more landscaping in the front.
Mr. Shane:
No, what I was saying is make Building C shallower.. .
Mr. Baki:
Just narrower...
Mr. Shane:
Narrower. That would affect your parking in a positive way, not a
negative way.
Mr. Baki:
Thatwould make the building smallerand thalwill atfectthe use.
Mr. Shane:
That's the answer I'm looking for. I notice the medical building was 37
feel in depth and this is 49 feet. I was just wondering if you needed
the full 49 feet of depth to that building?
Mr. Baki:
We have a tenant that we're talking to that is looking for around 6,000
square feet, something that sits in the back. I understand this backs
into residential. That lot that we back into is the largest lot in the
whole subdivision. He has around 250 feet of backyard. So its not
loo dose to residential. The reason we proposed to put in
landscaping instead of a wall is that he has a lot of trees at this time.
It's going to blend in with what he has in the back.
Mr.Shane:
Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Pieroecchi:
Mark, I can see passing up the north wall and replacing that with a
green bell. There are just parking structures there. But my question
to you, sir, is in the long run here, would we be better off insisting that
a wall be constructed along the west boundary or stay with the
greenbelt and the current landscaping for the benefit of the homes
back there, and for blowing and keeping papers and that on the
property? In the long run, that's what I'm looking at. In the long haul,
are we better off insisting on a wall there or substituting a greenbelt
there too?
Mr. Taormina:
There are cases where the City does allow for greenbelts as a
separation between office projects and abutting residential projects.
The benefits we have here is that, as Mr. Baki has pointed out, the
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residential lots immediately adjacent to this property are rather deep,
not 250 feet as far as the distance of the backyard, but more like 180
feet between the house and the property line. As long as the area is
heavily landscaped, it would be a benefit to have vegetation back
there as the buffer. The wall becomes a much more permanent
structure, however, when we consider the buildings are going to be
rather close to the properly line. The other benefit that a wall would
serve, at least along the west property line, would be additional
protection for the residents from the adjoining commercial
developments. There is a considerable wood lot, or stand of trees,
back there today. I agree with the use of a greenbelt along the north
property line where this site abuts the carports. I'm not sure that the
wall would serve any useful purpose in that location.
Mr. Piercecchi: Do I understand then that you think a wall should be put there?
Mr. Taormina:
That's a decision the Planning Commission and the Council will have
to make, but I think a case could be made either way. In this instance,
R will have to be eery heavily landscaped in order for the greenbelt to
be jusfifed along the west property line.
Mr. McCann:
Have you taken a look at the existing landscape that is near where the
wall would go now and how much of that would be able to remain in
place?
Mr. Taormina:
The situation is similar to the project we recently had behind the
Woodcreek Office Building on the east side of Farmington Road
between Seven and Eight Mile. I think it was submitted as the Keifer
Office Building, which had a similar type of distance between the
structure and the property line and the residential. There we planted a
row of pine trees that have not yet matured. We tried to put as much
of a berm in that small space as we could, but it really is limited to try
to construct any kind of an earth mound there. The problem we have
with this particular site is the fact that we have a retention basin at the
northeast comer of the property. Much of the buffer that would be
provided between these two sites is really going to exist on the
residential side of the property, which is heavily landscaped. In fad
there is a considerable amount of landscaping on the one lot that has
frontage along most of this property.
Mr. Pastor:
My question is regarding the front elevation of the firehouse. Again
this is just a suggestion. You have all these other arches on
everything else. I just wondered, instead of that going straight across,
if you could just arch that to make everything else you have on your
other buildings that same arch. If you could just be consistent there, I
think that would be kind of nice. What we're trying to do is get this so
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it doesn't look like the old firehouse. That was the only thing I was
interested in seeing. The other thing, I don't know what our feelings
are towards your trash enclosures. Is it a concrete poured wall? Is
that what you're showing?
Luigi Coletta,
Designer and Pmject Manager, Tiseo Architects, Inc., 19815 Farmington
Road, Livonia, Michigan.
Mr. Pastor:
The question was about your trash container. To me it says an eight
inch concrete simulated brick finish. Is that poured brick face wall?
Mr. Coletta:
It is a poured brick face wall. It is similar to what we did in our office
building, which is just north of this site, which is a concrete wall with
the color pigments in it.
Mr. Pastor:
I know what 9 is. You're actually going to paint it or stain it?
Mr. Coletta:
No, the color is going to be in the concrete itself.
Mr. Pastor:
So its going to be the color oflhe concrete.
Mr. Coletta:
No, the pigments of the color are going to be added with the concrete
mix.
Mr. Pastor:
So you're going to have colored concrete then?
Mr. Coletta:
Yes.
Mr. Pastor:
Okay. So itwill be colored concrete throughout?
Mr. Coletta:
Yes, that's the bestwayto make sure the colorstays.
Mr. Pastor:
I dont necessarily disagree. Normally, I think we try to use the same
building materials and match it up that way. I dont know if you'd be
able to gel it matched up right, but I'll be open to that. Mr. Baki, the
wall on the west side ... can you give us some comments about the
concerns we have about that?
Mr. Bad
We can put the wall on that side of the property for the neighboring
property. The only question was if we take all the walls out, we'll put
the landscaping in. For the Commissioners' concern and the City
Council, if the homeowner in the rear property gives us a letter saying
that he will accept it, then we can go that route. And if he doesn't,
we'll just put the wall up. I have no problem doing either.
Mr. McCann:
I agree with the neighbor.
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Mr. Alanskas: Mr. Baki, on your elevations of all three buildings ... when you look at
the firehouse, even with the new things that you want to do with the
arching and glass and windows, I still see a firehouse. Just last year,
on Farmington Road on the east side, we approved an office building.
It turned out beautiful. These three buildings look so blase. I mean I
just don't see anything where you're really doing something for this
site. You have an old fire station and I still see it there. I just dont like
what you're proposing as far as making changes. Now you're putting
two brand new buildings up, and it still looks like its not a very
modernistic office setting. I just wondered if you could do something
else to change it so you don't see a fire station any more or a school
building is what I'm looking at, not an office building.
Mr. Colefla: It's kind of difficult to sometimes answer such questions or comments
in regards to a design of a building. I'll try my best. When I first got
into this project, there was a lot of talk about what to do with this site in
terms of the fire station itself. I was told, we're going to demo it and
we're going to just treat this site as a virgin site. And then I was told,
no, we're not going to demo it, but we're going to carry the elevation
throughout the whole building at the same level by putting a dryvil
topping on it. Those were the two main things that people had
mentioned, both Mr. Tiseo, the architect of record, and Mr. Baki, when
they came to me. When I looked at this building, I saw a very nice,
strong building. I'm sure we all agree with that. When I took a look at
what to do with this fire station, one thing I did not want to do, and this
is preference in all honesty of how to approach the design, I did not
want to take away from the character of the building itself, because
the building is designed well. In all honesty, this was designed very
well from whomever the architect is that designed it. To take a
building and change the character of it, I'm totally against it. So I tried
my best, and I think we were very successful. I tried my best to do
some touches to keep the character but yet give it a new vibrant look.
Part of the things that dictated the rest of the buildings is not just the
use of the office building and the medical office building, was also how
to incorporate some of the new materials that I was thinking for the fire
station, which is accent metal panel and also adding the archway in
the front and doing something a little different or more fresher in the
roof trim that went around it. The choices of materials worked very
well together. And that choice of materials also dictated the other two
buildings and also the existing window moldings and spacings. We
did add horizontal moldings to the existing fire station, but we're
carrying over that also to the office building right south of the fire
station.
Mr. Alanskas: But isn't it true that by not tearing down the fire house and building a
new building, its a huge cost saving factor to you by just dressing up
the outside oflhe building?
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Mr. Coletta:
No. Maybe Mr. Tiseo, who has experience with buildings and tearing
down and rebuiliding ... this is a building which has an existing boiler.
Mr. Baki will explain.
Mr. Baki:
There is a lot of cost involved in remodeling this building. Like he
mentioned, the building is structurally a well-built building. There is a
lot of cost involved with remodeling it. It's going b be dose, but to
save some money because of the actual investment that we put in so
far into this properly, we cannot accommodate just to have three
vacant sites. If we dean up the site and just sell them as three
different new buildings. So there is some cost savings involved with
saving it, but not that large.
Mr. LaPine:
Mr. Balli, when you originally came in for the child care center, were
you going to demolish the fire station then?
Mr. Bad :
Yes. Al the time, the development was to demolish these buildings
and putthe new site and then a building in the back.
Mr. LaPine:
So at one point you were going to demolish the fire station and the
cost was not a problem at that point?
Mr. Bad :
Because of the price we got from the day care was sufficient to do all
that.
Mr. LaPine:
I have one big problem. Why is the largest building closest to the
residential? Can't Building B and C be switched? Maybe you have to
make Building C a little larger. I'd rather see the smaller builder closer
to the residential area.
Mr. Bad :
The largest building is in the back because of the way it was designed
for selling
purposes. To be able to break this property, the way it was
broke up,
if I make a big building in the front, a lot of medical uses do
not like large buildings. They are looking for small sites. That's why I
allowed for the 4,000 to be in the front. Meanwhile in the back, we
needed less parking so we putthe 6,000 building in the back.
Mr. LaPine:
What type of office rental are you figuring for Building C, one tenant or
more?
Mr. Baki:
There's probably going to be three tenants. That's the principle
behind allowing like 2,000 each section with one door.
Mr. LaPine:
The owner of the property that abuts this, that lives in my subdivision,
they just bought that property probably a year and a half ago. They
lived in our subdivision but they bought this property because its so
large. They are in the process now of getting bids because both of
their daughters are real good tennis players, and they're going to put a
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tennis court in. In my opinion, they're going to need more protection
because they are going to be closer to your property than the house is
right now. It's going to go back near the rear of their property. Have
you talked to those people?
Mr. Baki:
Yes, I did. And last time I talked to them was the time of the day care
and even prior to that.
Mr. LaPine:
Since then? Because I've talked to them.
Mr. Baki:
Since then no.
Mr. LaPine:
You haven't. Okay. The other question I have is, I notice on the plan,
you say you're going to remove the entire existing south side fence.
Mr. Baki:
It's an alternate if McDonald allows it.
Mr. LaPine:
Why would you want an opening into McDonalds?
Mr. Baki:
It will have a better appealing look with some trees there instead of
having that fence there.
Mr. LaPine:
So you're going to take the fence down and put landscape in?
Mr. Baki:
That's exactly what we want to do.
Mr. LaPine:
It's not to exit into McDonalds?
Mr. Baki:
If McDonald's allows us to do so, we will do that and add more trees.
That's an additional cost we'll pay, but we'll make it look a lot better
instead of having walls in between.
Mr. LaPine:
The only other objection I have is I personally think the fire station still
looks like a fire station. You haven't really changed the outlook of the
building in my opinion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Walsh:
Mr. Balk, can you describe what the interior of the fire station will be
like? I'm just curious in terms of its Ieaseabilily.
Mr. Baki:
At this time, the existing entrance to the fire station is facing
Farmington Road with double doors which are right here. The way the
actual fire station is divided has two rooms, a boiler room and the
mechanical room here, has the two bathrooms and a bathroom and
shower right here where we're putting the window. It has an existing
side door which comes in with the kitchen area here, more offices in
the front which is right here, which is another office and another
entrance that's what's existing. This is the bay area where they had
the trucks. The principle behind what I'm doing right now is keeping
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this as a main entrance. They sell have a side door for this office.
This could be a one tenant with a wall here, take the kitchen out, have
a wall. That could be divided for one tenant. This is for a second
tenant coming in from here; there's a door here and there's another
door on this side. People can come into the main entrance and go to
this area, which would be another office space. Then this would be
divided. The bathroom at this time with the door to the north side of
the corridor, we're going to move that to have it on this side. We'll
have the two bathrooms here, then we'll have offices surrounding
here. By doing that, we'll be able to sublet it to three people without
changing too much structurally.
Mr. Walsh:
In the engine area, will you have a drop ceiling that will bring it down
to a normal height?
Mr. Baki:
Yes, we will.
Mr. Walsh:
All right. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Alanskas:
I'm confused. Now you said in the back where the bay area is, people
have to walk in through that front and walk though? What are they
walling through?
Mr. Baki
This is going to be an open foyer -like space.
Mr. Alanskas:
And then theyd have to go into that back part?
Mr. Baki:
Yes.
Mr. Alanskas:
That's the only way they can get in or out?
Mr. Baki:
Well, there is another door in the back. There's another door that
could be put in the back here, but they can have other doors. But this
is going to be the main entrance for them.
Mr. Alanskas:
All right. Thank you.
Mr. McCann:
Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak for or against
this petition? Seeing no one, a motion is in order.
Mr. LaPine:
I'll make a tabling motion. I want an opportunity to talk to the
homeowner behind the building. It can go on the next meeting as far
as I'm concerned.
Mr. McCann:
Well, let's see what date we've got. Can we fit it on the September
20 meeting?
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On a motion by Mr. La Pine, seconded by Mr. Piercecchi, it was
RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
that Petition 2002-08-08-18, submitted by Tn-West Development
Company, requesting approval of all plans required by Section 18.47
of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with a proposal to construct an
office complex on property located at 19337 Farmington Road in the
Southeast %of Section 4, be tabled until the next regular meeting of
September 24, 2002.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES: La Pine, Pastor, Pieroecchi
NAYES: Alanskas, Shane, Walsh, McCann
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. McCann, Chairman, declared the motion failed.
Mr. Walsh: I'll offer an approving resolution.
On a motion by Mr. Walsh, seconded by Mr. Pastor, and approved, it was
#09-111-2002 RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
to the City Council that Petition 2002-08-08-18, submitted by Tn-West
Development Company, requesting approval of all plans required by
Section 18.47 of the Zoning Ordinance in connection with a proposal
to construct an office complex on property located at 19337
Farmington Road in the Southeast I/ of Section 4, be approved
subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Site Plan marked Sheet P1 dated September 10, 2002,
as revised, prepared by Tiseo Architects, is hereby approved and
shall be adhered to;
2. That the Landscape Plan marked Sheet P1 dated September 6,
2002, as revised, prepared by Tiseo Architects, is hereby
approved and shall be adhered to;
3. That the landscaped greenbelt along the north property line, as
shown on the approved Landscape Plan, shall be substituted for
the protective wall required by Section 18.45 of the Zoning
Ordinance;
4. That the abutting properly owner to the west shall advise the City
as to whether or not a protective screen wall is desired, and if
not, then a landscaped greenbelt along the west property line, as
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shown on the approved Landscape Plan, shall be substituted for
the protective wall;
5. That if there are any change of circumstances in the areas
containing the greenbelts result in a diminution of the greenbelt's
effectiveness as a protective banner, the owner of the property
shall be required to submit such changes to the Planning
Commission and City Council for heir review and approval, or
immediately construct the prolective wall pursuant to Section
18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance;
6. That all disturbed lawn areas shall be sodded in lieu of
hydroseeding;
7. That underground sprinklers are to be provided for all
landscaped and sodded areas and all planted materials shall be
installed to the satisfaction of the Inspection Department and
thereafter permanently maintained in a healthy condition;
8. That the Exterior Building Elevation Plans marked Sheets P2 and
P3, both dated September 10, 2002, as revised, prepared by
Tiseo Architects, is hereby approved and shall be adhered to;
9. That the brick used in the construction shall be full face 4 inch
brick, no exceptions;
10. That the three walls of the trash dumpster area shall be
constructed out of the same brick used in the construction of the
building or in the event a poured wall is substituted, the wall's
design, texture and color shall match that of the building, and the
enclosure gates shall be maintained and when not in use closed
at all times;
11. That all light fixtures shall not exceed 20 feet in height and shall
be aimed and shielded so as to minimize stray light trespassing
across property lines and glaring into adjacent roadway;
12. That the petitioner shall coned to the Inspection Department's
satisfaction the following as outlined in the correspondence dated
September 5, 2002:
- That the entire parking lot shall be doubled striped;
- That all handicap spaces shall be identified and comply with
the Michigan Banner Free Code;
13. That no signs, either freestanding or wall mounted, are approved
with this petition; and
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14. That the specific plans referenced in this approving resolution
shall be submitted to the Inspection Department at the time the
building permits are applied for.
Mr. McCann:
Is there any discussion?
Mr. Pastor:
On Item 3, 1 believe that we agreed that the north end was going to be
in lieu of the wall, but the west we're going to wail until he got
permission from the property owner, was one of the conditions I
thought that we had discussed earlier. On Item 7, to add "except
for
the northeast elevation" to add the eyebrow above the one window
bay.
Mr. Walsh:
I'm fine with both of those changes.
Mr. Shane:
That was the suggestion I had also.
Mr. Pastor:
That was one of the reasons why I wanted to do the tabling is solhal
we could talk to the residents, but if he addresses it by the time it gets
to Council, then this moves the petition along.
Mr. McCann:
I think Mr. Pieroecchi made some valid arguments about having a
wall. I wasn't in favor of one, but Mr. La Pine's comments about them
removing some of the landscape for a tennis court and having the kids
out there playing tennis, that a wall may be appropriate, but I think we
would vent the neighbors input. If the staff will contact the neighbor
prior to the Council meeting, I think we can move it on with a
recommendation.
Mr. Taormina:
For further clarification on Item 7, that the exterior elevation plan as it
relates to the east elevation of the existing fire station,
is that to
coincide with the alternate ... is it "A" or "B" or"1" or "2" that's on the
plan? It's not shown on that particular rendering, but on the plans we
received ....
Mr. Miller:
On the alternate you may want...
Mr. Pastor:
An eyebrow right above that instead of it going straight across.
Mr. Miller:
Right now he has it just over the entrance. Mr. Pastor wants it over
the windows.
Mr. Taormina:
Okay, so that's understood. It's the alternate but with other
modifications.
Mr. Pastor:
Yes, with the eyebrow.
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Mr. Alanskas: The first plan we had before us for the day care center I thought was a
very good use of this site. But this one is such a ... in my estimation,
the three buildings and what you have to do and how it looks.... I'll
be vofing noon this petition. Thank you.
Mr. Pieroecchi: Mr. Chairman, I can support this resolufion by Commissioner Walsh
inasmuch as the wall on the west boundary is going to be given an in-
depth look. That's all I was looking for in the beginning.
Mr. McCann: I think I lend to agree with Mr. Alanskas that we spent a lot of time on
the child care center, and I always believed of a need for those in the
community. It's just not available any more. I think bis site complies
with the intent of the OS ordinance, and I think theyve made a valid
attempt to refurnish this site in a reasonable way.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Walsh, Pastor, Shane, Pieroecchi, McCann
NAYES:
Alanskas, La Pine
ABSTAIN:
None
ABSENT:
None
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
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Mr. Pieroecchi, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda, Petition 2002 -08 -
GB -02, submitted by Harry J. Will Funeral Home requesting approval
to subsfitute a greenbelt for the protective wall as outlined in Section
18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance for property located at 37000 Six Mile
Road in the Southwest 1/4 of Section 8.
Mr. Miller: This site is located on the north side of Six Mile between Newburgh
and Fitzgerald. The applicant is requesting approval to substitute a
greenbelt in lieu of the protective wall that is required between an
office zoned property and a residential zoned property. To the west of
this property is the Sterling Bank & Trust Commons Shopping Center.
Across the street, to the south, is the Newburgh Plaza Shopping
Center. This property is bordered by residential along the enure
length of both the east and north properly lines. There is an existing
screen wall along the north properly line and part of the east property
line. The screen wall along the east property line stops approximately
112 feet from Six Mile Road. The ordinance specifies that the
protective wall shall be confinuous and unpierced along a zoning line
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that separates residential from office. From the end of the wall to the
sidewalk is an existing 14 foot wide landscaped greenbelt. It is this
section of greenbelt the petitioner is asking to substitute in lieu of the
wall. The applicant feels the heavily landscape greenbelt is more
aesthetically pleasing from Six Mile Road and also provides a more
thorough buffer to the neighboring properties. The existing vegetation
furnishes a very dense screening medium. Also between the subject
greenbelt and the funeral home itself is a nicely landscaped drive
divider island that adds to and intensifies the screening congestion.
This island is planted with large evergreen trees.
Mr. McCann:
Is there any correspondence?
Mr. Taormina:
There is one item of correspondence from the Inspection Department,
dated September 4, 2002, which reads as follows: "Pursuant to your
request of August 20, 2002, the above referenced Petition has been
reviewed. The following is noted. (1) The parking lot needs
maintenance, resealing and double striping. (2) There is a dumpster
in the west parking lot sitting unenclosed. This Department has no
further objections to this petition." The lefler is signed by Alex Bishop,
Assistant Director of Inspection. That is the extent of the
correspondence.
Mr. McCann:
Is the petitioner here this evening? No? Is there anybody in the
audience that wishes to speak for or against this petition? Are there
any questions from the Commissioners? Do we have a motion?
On a motion by
Mr. La Pine, seconded by Mr. Alanskas, and unanimously approved, it
was
#09-112-2002
RESOLVED, that the Planning Commission does hereby recommend
to the City Council that Pefition 2002 -08 -GB -02, submitted by Harry J.
Will Funeral Home, requesting approval to substitute a greenbelt for
the prolective wall as outlined in Section 18.45 of the Zoning
Ordinance for property located at 37000 Six Mile Road in the
Southwest 1/4 of Section 8, be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1. That the landscaped greenbelt along the east property line, as
shown on the plan received by the Planning Commission on
August 2, 2002, shall be subsfiluled for the prolective wall
required by Section 18.45 of the Zoning Ordinance;
2. That if there are any change of circumstances in the area
containing the greenbelt result in a diminution of the greenbelts
effectiveness as a protective barrier, the owner of the property
shall be required to submitted such changes to the Planning
Commission and City Council for their review and approval or
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immediately construct the prolective wall pursuant to Section
18.45; and
3. That the petitioner shall correct to the Inspection Department's
satisfaction the following as outlined in the correspondence dated
September 4, 2002:
That the entire parking lot shall be repaired, resealed and
doubled striped;
That the site's dumpster shall be enclosed and that the three
walls of the trash dumpster area shall be constructed out of
the same brick used in the construction of the building or in
the event a poured wall is substituted, the wall's design,
texture and color shall match that of the building and the
enclosure gates shall be maintained and when not in use
closed at all times.
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted. It will go on to City Council with an approving resolution.
This concludes the Miscellaneous Site Plan section of our agenda.
We will now proceed with the Pending Item section of our agenda.
These items have been discussed at length in prior meetings;
therefore, there will only be limited discussion tonight. Audience
participation will require unanimous consent from the Commission.
Will the Secretary please read the next item?
ITEM #4 MOTION TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING Self -Storage Facilities
Mr. McCann, Chairman, announced the next item on the agenda is a motion to hold a
public hearing pursuant to Council Resolution #408-02 to determine
whether or not to permit self -storage facilities as waiver uses in C-2
zoning districts.
On a motion by Mr. Pieroecchi, seconded by Mr. LaPine, and unanimously approved, it
was
#09-113-2002 RESOLVED, that the City Planning Commission, pursuant to Council
Resolutions #408-02, and pursuant to Section 23.01(a) of Ordinance
#543, the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended, does
hereby establish and order that a public hearing be held to determine
whether or not to amend Section 11.03 of Artide XI of the Livonia
Zoning Ordinance in order to permit self -storage facilities as waiver
uses in C-2 zoning districts.
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FURTHER RESOLVED, that notice of such hearing shall be given in
accordance with the provisions of Section 23.05 of Ordinance #543,
the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Livonia, as amended, and that
thereafter there shall be a report and recommendation submitted to
the City Council.
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
ITEM#5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 84r Public Hearings and
Regular Meeting
Mr. McCann, Chairman, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Approval
of the Minutes of the 847" Public Hearings and Regular Meeting held
on July 16, 2002.
On a motion by Mr. LaPine, seconded by Mr. Shane, and unanimously approved, it was
#09-114-2002 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 847" Public Hearings and Regular
Meeting held by the Planning Commission on July 16, 2002, are
hereby approved.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Alanskas, LaPine, Pastor, Shane, Walsh, Pieroecchi,
McCann
NAYS:
None
ABSTAIN:
None
ABSENT:
None
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
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ITEM#6 APPROVAL OF MINUTES SW Regular Meeting
Mr. Pieroecchi, Secretary, announced the next item on the agenda is Approval of the
Minutes ofthe 848" Regular Meeting held on July 30, 2002.
On a motion by Mr. Alanskas, seconded by Mr. Walsh, and unanimously approved, it
was
#09-115-2002 RESOLVED, that the Minutes of 848" Regular Meeting held by the
Planning Commission on July 30, 2002, are hereby approved.
A roll call vole on the foregoing resolution resulted in the following:
AYES:
Alanskas, La Pine, Shane, Walsh, Pieroecchi,
NAYS:
None
ABSTAIN:
Pastor, McCann
ABSENT:
None
Mr. McCann, Chairman, dedared the motion is carried and the foregoing resolution
adopted.
On a motion duly made, seconded and unanimously adopted, the 850" Regular
Meeting held on September 20, 2002 was adjourned at 8:28 p.m.
ATTEST:
James C. McCann, Chairman
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CITY PLANNING COMMISSION
Dan Piercecchi, Secretary