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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPUBLIC HEARING - 2019-03-04 - APPEAL - PET. 2018-12-08-09 CITY OF LIVONIA PUBLIC HEARING Minutes of Meeting Held on Monday, March 4, 2019 ______________________________________________________________________ A Public Hearing of the Council of the City of Livonia was held at the City Hall Auditorium on Monday, March 4, 2019. MEMBERS PRESENT: Laura Toy, President Jim Jolly, Vice President Brandon Kritzman Kathleen McIntyre (Arrived 7:02 p.m.) Brian Meakin Cathy White MEMBERS ABSENT: Scott Bahr OTHERS PRESENT: Mark Taormina, Director of Economic Development Paul Bernier, City Attorney Todd Zilincik, City Engineer Bonnie J. Murphy, CER-2300, Certified Electronic Recorder The Public Hearing was called to order at 7:00 p.m. with President Laura Toy presiding. This is a Public Hearing relative to a request for an appeal of Condition #5 by the City Planning Commission of Petition 2018-12-08-09 submitted by MIU Holdings, L.L.C. requesting site plan approval to redevelop the office building, including the renovation of the exterior of the existing building and substituting the required masonry screen wall along the north and west sides of the property with a greenbelt and plantings located on the north side of Five Mile Road between Hubbard and Farmington Roads in the Southwest ¼ of Section 15. The Public Hearing is now open. There were six people in the audience. Toy: Mr. Taormina? Taormina: Thank you, Madam President. This is an appeal of a condition of the Planning Commission when they reviewed the site plan at the same time Council considers the appeal itself. So, again, it’s a request to renovate the office building at 33014 Five Mile Road, which is directly across the street from City Hall. This property is about 4/10ths of an acre in size, has 115 feet of frontage on Five Mile Road and a depth of 174 feet along Woodring Avenue. The south half of the site contains the existing 2 building, that part is zoned C-2, and then the north half of the property is zoned P, Parking. As you can see from this aerial photograph there are commercial businesses on both either side of the building, these are zoned C-2 to the west, and then immediately to the north are residential homes zoned R-1, One Family Residential. MIU or Michigan Institute of Urology is proposing to move from its current location which is at Farmington Road and Lyndon to this location which was originally built as a Michigan National Bank. And interestingly in 1973, a section of Woodring Avenue directly north of Five Mile Road adjacent to this site was vacated pursuant to Ordinance No. 1116. In your notes, this small section of Woodring is privately owned, the area is paved, and it presently functions as a public right-of-way allowing for thru traffic. What you may not realize is that the section of Woodring abutting the building running north from Five Mile for about 150 feet or so is actually private property. The existing building is two stories in height, it’s about 7,400 square feet in gross floor area. Currently there are eight parking spaces on the east side of the building and seven spaces behind the building and fourteen spaces along the north property line for a total of roughly twenty-nine parking spaces. The first floor will be devoted primarily to procedure and exam rooms, with a laboratory and other support services, there’s a waiting area, restrooms, reception and check out area as well as doctor offices. The upper level will be very limited in term of its usage. It will have a break room, storage and office space. There will be no customers allowed in the upper part of the building. So altogether the usable floor area of the building is about 4,600 square feet. In looking at how the building will change, and again, what I’m going through right now are all the issues related to the site plan itself, we’ll get into the issues and talk a little bit about them and get into the issue of the appeal shortly. The changes to the building include removal of the mansard roof and then painting the existing brick, there will be cultured stone placed along the base of the building as well as porcelain tile. There will be a wood fascia, EIFS cornice, limestone sill and metal canopies. The rendering shows what the building will look like from Five Mile Road, quite a substantial transformation. And also, just to let you know, there’s a canopy on the west side of the building that used to cover the original taller window, that will be removed as part of the proposal. 3 The next rendering shows the front of the building looking in a northwest direction, the rear of the building, and as you can see the second level is visible, the additional space above and the canopy being installed includes limestone, the tile as well as the cultured brick. So, of the 4,600 square feet, about 1,200 square feet of that constitutes exam rooms and procedure rooms which requires parking at a ratio of one space for every 110 square feet of usable floor area. The remaining 3,400 square feet will be treated as general office and that parking ratio is one space for 200 square feet of floor area. Altogether, no less than twenty- eight parking spaces are required to satisfy the Zoning Ordinance. The plan currently shows thirty-eight spaces. All of the spaces are required to be 10 feet in width as the plan does show. There is a dumpster enclosure shown in the northwest corner of the property, it will be fully enclosed. Now, with respect to the two protective walls on the property where it adjoins residential as well requires a minimum 5 foot masonry screen wall. The plans show the new fence or wall running along the west side of the property where it abuts the property to the west adjacent to that parking district. Along the north side the Petitioner has proposed to the Planning Commission a greenbelt in lieu of a wall. That greenbelt would be 10 feet in width and it would be planted with a number of junipers as well as burning bushes. The Petitioner is trying to get a waiver involved here as there are several large trees, including a couple of oak trees that sit right on the property line and he felt that would be a disruption to have to remove those trees and that it would be equally as effective by planting the greenbelt and the masonry wall. The owner of that property at 15341 Woodring objected to the wall waiver and the Planning Commission in its final resolution required the wall. They allowed the Petitioner to cut back on the greenbelt and make adjustments for the plantings but they wanted to see the masonry wall built where it was required between the parking district and the residential district and thus is the reason for the appeal this evening. With that, I’d be happy to answer any questions. Toy: Thank you, Mr. Taormina. Questions for Mr. Taormina? Taormina: And let me just point out, too, the minutes are confusing. As you go through the minutes, the initial plans submitted by the Petitioner showed closing off Woodring, so that’s on the original plan that was approved back in 1973 when this street was vacated. However, through discussions with the Planning Commission and careful review of the records, it was decided that it would be better to maintain Woodring open, there is an 4 easement that allows for public use of that area so it is the desire of the Planning Commission as well as the Petitioner to keep Woodring functioning as it currently does. Toy: Thank you. Councilman Meakin. Meakin: Through the Chair to Mark, does the plan submitted provide adequate screening of the houses to the north? Taormina: Well, I guess that probably would be something that certainly with shrubs planted and properly spaces and a little height would provide very effective screening of that area. It would not be a solid screening such as a masonry wall but over time as that vegetation matures, it would certainly provide additional screening. I know the neighbors to the north maintain a pool, there’s some concern about privacy there and the impact of those trees back there, I’m not sure. Meakin: Thank you. Toy: Mr. Taormina, have they already started on this building? Taormina: They’ve been working closely with Inspection and Engineering and Planning and what we’ve allowed them to do. Part of they need to do in order to design this, is tear some of the elements of the outside apart to see what they have to work with. So we allowed the demolition to occur as part of the design and also some interior work. The use that is proposed for this is permitted use. But the work you see on the exterior was more fact finding, the demolition, no final work will be done until those plans get approved by you. Toy: I’m trying to see the final vote of the Planning Commission and I can’t see it, do you know the vote on it? Taormina: I believe it was unanimous. Toy: It was unanimous for it to have a wall, is that what it was? Taormina: That’s correct. Toy: May I ask, in that area, and I’m not remembering and I haven’t had a chance to look at it, how do those buildings along Five Mile – I know I went to a dentist and he got denied and I don’t think it was us as far as this particular Council in lieu of a wall. There’s a lot of those buildings that are older along there, right? Taormina: Right. 5 Toy: Do most of them have walls or is there vegetation along there? I’m not real certain of the inventory there. Taormina: I think it’s mixed. I think you’ll find some walls along there, a combination of walls, fences and landscaping depending on when the building was constructed and the ordinances that were in effect at the time. Toy: Sure. And as you mentioned that the property at Woodring there, is private, does that go with the land of this building, is that what that is about? Taormina: Yes, they own the west half of the vacated portion of Woodring Avenue from the north from Five Mile for a distance I believe it’s 150 feet. Toy: So that’s going to be left open? Taormina: Yes. Toy: Okay. And there’s parking on the flip side there as well then, right, is that their parking? Taormina: Well, there’s parking immediately adjacent to this building on this side and then across the street there’s parking for the adjacent office that is not for use for this. Toy: Oh, that’s not for use for this? Taormina: It is not. Toy: Okay. And then we’re going to get into the site plan a little bit, I guess, we’re referring to. What I’ve seen, which is a beautiful building, a big improvement, is plantings, and there’s flowers with plantings, I just wondered, as I look at that, and the change of seasons in Michigan, should that be shrubbery in there? I can’t tell what kind of flowers those are. Does that change into some kind of shrubbery over there so it keeps the beautiful appeal of this nice building? Taormina: I think that’s just an artist’s rendering, I don’t think that’s the actual landscape plans, what those are. It may appear to be some type of perennial. And if I can correct something I said? Toy: Sure. Taormina: It’s not 150 feet, the vacated portion, it’s actually 105 feet. 6 Toy: Thank you so much. Did the Petitioner want to address anything that’s been said or would you like to represent yourself in any way? Alfonsi: Sure. Toy: If we could have your name and address for the record, please. Alfonsi: My name is Mark Alfonsi, I’m the architect. Parks: I’m Jay Parks with M & B Construction. Toy: Great. Alfonsi: Mark did a really good job of presenting our case, he’s been working hard on both cases, developing this, and trying to do something nice. We’re not looking to shortfall anything. The landscaping in the back, we feel that’s a pretty good option and more conducive with the environment and we want to make sure they can have proper screening process, the back, that would meet the zoning ordinance if not a little bit more and get proper screening so that the neighbors have real good privacy. Parks: Jay Parks. Toy: What is your address? Parks: 3155 W. Big Beaver Road, Troy. Toy: Okay. Parks: We’re here for MIU. Toy: I’m sorry, you’re what? Parks: We’re representing MIU, the owners. Toy: Where are they at? I mean where are their representatives, are they here this evening? Parks: That’s us. Toy: Okay. But are the actual owners here this evening? Parks: No. It’s a corporation, I think they have eighteen locations, they have a lot of facilities like this one here in southeast Michigan. There are trees right on the property line, there’s no way to save them and do the wall. They would have to be taken down. 7 Alfonsi: And they’re all caliber Oak trees. White: Madam President? Toy: Yes, go right ahead, Councilmember White. White: I have a couple questions for the Petitioner. So, the fact that there’s a wall planned on the western end of the property that’s because that’s the only area where there aren’t these large trees, is that correct? Parks: Yes, it’s an old fence that’s fallen down, there’s only I think five feet there, so yes, we’re going to tear the fence out where there’s brush and put the wall there. White: Can you tell me, this medical facility, is it 9:00 to 5:00 Monday through Friday; what are the hours? Parks: The operation I believe is 9:00 to 5:00 but typically somebody is there at 8:00 o’clock. White: Are they open on Saturday or the weekend at all? Parks: Typically no. White: Thank you. Toy: Any other questions from the Council? Zilincik: Madam Chair? Toy: Yes, go right ahead, Mr. Zilincik. Zilincik: I would like to add, too, we have an issue with Oak trees that will have to be addressed, through the Oak wilt, we will have to take them down by the end of March and I just wanted to make sure that you’re aware of that potential issue where a house will have diseased trees due to Oak wilt, so we have three trees on hillcrest that we’ll have to address with this issue so whatever decision is made, please keep that in mind as far as they should be removed by the end of March. Another issue, too, I want to bring up is that the half width of Woodring obviously one of the key concerns that I have is backing out if it comes back to us as far as liability to the City, we want to be truly indemnified from the issues of potential parking from that building. It’s a nice building and I just want to make sure that we’re protected in that issue also as far as parking if allowed, want to make sure the City is indemnified if any such issues occur from that parking there. Thank you. 8 Toy: So what you’re saying is that the Oak trees have to come down, is that what you’re saying? Zilincik: Yes. Our Forestry Division has told us that if we have to remove Oak trees, we have three Oaks on Hillcrest that should come down by the end of March due to the Oak Wilt disease. Kritzman: Madam Chair. Toy: Councilman Kritzman, go ahead. Kritzman: Through the Chair to Todd, have these trees been identified as having that disease or are you just saying if they are going to come down they need to be taken down by the end of March? Zilincik: Correct. Kritzman: They have not been identified at this point? Zilincik: That’s correct. If they don’t have the Oak wilt disease it’s a matter of if we have to take the trees down. We want to prevent additional disease of Oak wilt. Toy: Go ahead, sir. Alfonsi: So you don’t know for sure if they have them? Zilincik: No. Alfonsi: Okay, thank you. Toy: Thank you so much. Was there anything else the Council wanted? Meakin: Let’s get back to the initial portion of this. Whose lot is the tree on? I want a specific answer to that question. Alfonsi: It’s right on the property line. Parks: From our eyes it’s either the trees were planted on this property but they’ve grown and encroached on the other one a couple of inches, six inches at the most. Meakin: So technically the tree is owned by both this property owner and the resident, is that? 9 Kritzman: I don’t know how that works. Meakin: Is there a legal description tonight, Mr. Bernier? Audience: If I can say something? Toy: Just a minute. Come on up to the podium. Bernier: If it’s on the property line, this property has had a tortured history, Mark and I went through and tried to figure this out because of the vacating the street and the different things that have gone on, it’s a difficult property to figure out to be honest with you. And quite frankly, if it’s on the property line, typically it belongs to both. So I would say that that tree belongs to both. Meakin: Thank you. Toy: Go right ahead. Your name and address for the record, please. Bazzell: Susan Bazzell, 15316 Shadyside Street, and I am the west property line. Those trees were not planted, they just grew naturally there. I’ve been there since 1961 and the trees that are on my property, the people who owned Michigan National Bank, they never trimmed them, they never --- they grew up in my fence, the trees just grew naturally. We were there before the houses were built there, even the two buildings next to us, our home has been there since 1928, one of the oldest homes in Livonia. Toy: Were you there when the fire station was there? Bazzell: Yes. Toy: Well, thank you for that information. Is there anything else you’d like to say before we go to the Council? Bazzell: Yes. I wanted to know what they’re going to do with the fence and the trees that go around in the fence. My property – we have a garden every year and my father truck loaded dirts, loads of dirt, so we are approximately two feet taller than your property so is that going to be – Toy: Just direct your comments this way, okay? Bazzell: Okay. The 5 foot wall that they’re going to build which is what we do want for privacy because we have animals and the people next door, the dentist, and the customers and stuff they aggravate the dogs, they poisoned my dad’s dog and we had to put her down. They spray – we had to quit planting our garden there, they killed our blueberry bushes and 10 things that we had planted behind the garage. My dad’s dog was just eaten up with the weed sprayer that they sprayed along that fence. So but anyhow, the trees that are there, they block the sun coming in in the garden area that we had and I just want to know if what they’re going to do if there is a 2-3 foot difference in our level than theirs. So I’m curious what they’re going to do there. Toy: Right now what they’re saying is that those Oak trees are in the dead center of that property line so that they would belong to you – Kritzman: No, this is a different property. Toy: Oh, I’m sorry, yes. This is the – Bazzell: The back property. Toy: Oh, the back property, okay, got it. I’m sorry. Bazzell: The Oak trees, though, were not planted, they were just there naturally. I grew up playing in that parking lot. Toy: Yes, so did I. Yes, go right ahead. McIntyre: Can you show us or maybe mark where the garden is? I’m trying to understand which portion of the lot. Taormina: You can see the shed right there and the garden. McIntyre: The garden is in the upper, on your property line, the upper right hand corner? Taormina: Right behind the garage. McIntyre: Which area is your garden? Bazzell: Oh, the garden is in the center of the backyard, we have a large yard, large lot. But it used to be behind, I used to have two areas and one was behind the garage and it lined up with the fence on the south side. Kritzman: There’s a better image on Google Maps. McIntyre: Thank you. Bazzell: But the elm trees there that are there, they do have elm disease and we’ve done everything. Every year we normally cut them down but the last couple years I haven’t been able to get out there and cut them down 11 and they’ve grown into the wires and stuff hat are there and we’ve called DTE about them and the telephone company and stuff because it’s on the easeway. So that’s my question, is the easeway there, or are they going to remove them? Taormina: Madam President, if I may? Toy: Sure. Taormina: In response to her question about to the extent they’re required to build a wall at their property line, they will have to remove whatever is on their property to facilitate construction of that wall which may or may not include vegetation issues she’s referring to. For them to do any work on her property, they would have to have an agreement in place between the parties in order for them to remove additional vegetation on that property. So that would have to be an arrangement that the private property would have to make on themselves. All they’re obligated to do is build that wall, that wall has to be a minimum of 5 feet in height, measured from the highest point of the grade, so it would have to be 5 feet, the 5 feet would have to be measured from her side of the property. And that’s all they’re obligated to do and any vegetation beyond that that exists on her property, that will be her responsibility and she has to make arrangements for them to do that for her. Toy: Thank you. Mr. Zilincik, go ahead. Zilincik: I’ll add that, too, she said she brought in fill, so once he puts this wall in, she’s responsible for the water on her side of the property, they’re responsible for their water on their side of the property. I don’t know if with the wooden fence, if the water drains through the fence to the back property line and I just want to make sure that that’s clear, that when the masonry wall is built, there may be some unknown issues that she may have to address with the fill that was brought in years ago and now you have two foot of fill, and I don’t know the soil conditions on her area or you know the whole subdivision itself, so a lot of stuff drains out on the street. As you can see from the condition of Woodring pavement, it’s in bad condition, that’s why we haven’t patched it, because it is a vacated alleyway between this business and the one to the east side. We just want to bring that potential issue up. Once you put a solid wall there, she may have to address on her own personal property some additional landscaping or drainage to make sure that water does not sit back there now. Alfonsi: Can I ask a point of clarification? Toy: Sure. 12 Alfonsi: You said the wall, the highest area would be 5 feet above the grade and I was going to ask is that at where the wall is, 5 feet? Taormina: I’m not sure I understand your question. Kritzman: Some areas that don’t have any grading to where the fence will actually be located, that 5-foot point is only at the grade right where the fence is, not like within ten feet, the highest point within 10-feet. Alfonsi: Thank you. Toy: Anything else? Any questions? Any comments? Bazzell: No. I just was worried about that 2-foot drop there because I have a Rottweiler and she’s getting up there in her age and 3-foot is not --- you know, 2-foot on their property will only give me 3-foot on my property. And if someone comes by and aggravates the animals, okay, which they do. I have a ---- I’m not sure how tall the fence is but when they built the property to the next of me there, the dentist, there’s a fence that’s probably over 6-foot, maybe 7-foot, I’m not sure, and then our fence, and then snowplowers from the property there, they came and they pushed up snow up against our fence and broke our fence. They pushed the snow through our side so the fence has since gotten old. People jump the fence, a couple run through the backyard and steal vegetables out of our garden, they throw things over to aggravate the animals. I know it’s --- but I’m just trying to make sure for my family and our pets and things that you know it’s not doing things to harm them. Toy: So what are you saying that you prefer, what do you prefer then? I mean if they put a nice greenbelt there. Bazzell: No, a greenbelt would not. Kritzman: That’s not where the greenbelt would be. Toy: Oh, that’s the wall, okay, that’s right, I’m sorry. It’s a confusing piece of property. All right. So you’re voicing that fact. So they’re only going to be able to put a wall there is what’s going to happen. Bazzell: Yes, I am happy with that. I’m not sure where they’re going to put it because like I told you there’s a 2-foot drop. Toy: Right on the lot line. Taormina: Right on the lot line. 13 Bazzell: The lot line, but there’s an easeway there, a 5-foot easeway for the 5-foot utility poles. Toy: Maybe we can have somebody from the City come out there and eyeball it for you, how would that fly? Go ahead. Mr. Kritzman, go ahead. Kritzman: Again – Bazzell: Are they going to put it in the easeway just on their property line? Kritzman: Madam Chair, I don’t believe the easement for the utilities prohibits construction of a wall, from my belief. If you find yourself in a situation where there is a pole, a utility pole, there may have to be some accommodation around it or some adjustment made to the wall. Toy: Okay. Kritzman: We’ve got a lot of pieces and parts to cover, I just want to make sure that your situation is understood. Your preference in that area is for a wall being constructed? Bazzell: Oh, definitely. Kritzman: That is actually what is proposed in the drawings. So as far as I’m concerned in here, that piece is not necessarily an issue. So you should be all set. Bazzell: Okay, thank you. Toy: It should be fine. Zilincik: Just real quick. Toy: Sure. Zilincik: Since there’s a grade elevation of 5-foot on the left side of the wall and 3- foot on the other, she may want to put a fence on the back side of her property to protect the animal or whatever she’s concerned about as far as even though it’s 5-foot elevation wise on the piece of property, maybe an additional fence behind that masonry wall? Kritzman: No. I believe the way the ordinance read, and Mark, please clarify, that 5- foot measurement is on the highest point of grade on either side of the wall and so it is higher on her side, that’s where the measurement will be taken. So on their side it will be a 7-foot wall. 14 Toy: Thank you, thank you, Mr. Kritzman, appreciate it. Okay, go ahead. Meakin: I have a question regarding the landscaping because you’ve got a pool next door, is there a fence? There’s no wall there currently. Taormina: It’s a raised pool. Meakin: It’s a raised pool. And why do you want the landscape instead of a wall there? Alfonsi: We have a yard full of trees and trying to be consistent with the environment, we want to make sure we have a nice landscape and screen instead of putting in a wall. Meakin: Is there going to be irrigation for the landscaping? Alfonsi: I don’t know. Meakin: Is that a requirement, Mark? Taormina: What is your question? Meakin: Is irrigation required for the landscaping? Taormina: Absolutely. That should have been a condition of the approval. Toy: Mr. Kritzman. Councilman Kritzman, then I’ll go back to the audience. Kritzman: Through the Chair to Mark, I guess the question I would be asking is if we do ask them to build a wall there, I can’t find anywhere in here a version of the site plan with a wall on the north side of the property, if we do end up saying that we’re going to keep the wall in lieu of the buffer, what are the landscape requirements for the property? Because it looks at this point, there’s not 100% lot coverage. Taormina: The percentage of landscaping, I’m not certain what that computes to. With the wall, they can still keep some of that north area as greenspace. They just wouldn’t have to call for as many shrubs along there as is shown on this plan. The landscaping plan was intended to serve as the only buffer but with the wall they can still keep the 10-feet of grass area but they just don’t need to plant all those bushes and trees. 15 Alfonsi: I just have a comment if that’s okay. We actually did increase that a little bit to make sure for us to put the wall there and with the shrubs being a little bit newer. Jolly: I just think it’s weird that we have this opportunity to talk about whether or not to build a wall. Taormina: It might be helpful for you Councilmembers, to view that area, really to see and it’s close so if you want to consider a resolution for them and then visit it it might give you a better understanding of it. Toy: Sure. Jolly: In terms of the public right of way through the parking lot which is Woodring of sorts, what are the pros and cons of keeping it that way? I mean this always seemed disjointed to me at best and if there’s such a liability problem here in terms of people backing up, it is relatively narrower there, is there really a true benefit for keeping this because I question whether or not there is. Taormina: Your packets include quite a bit of the history on this and it is quite convoluted in that following an approval of the vacation, I mean it goes beyond that, so it’s not just the part that is currently vacated, there was one further to the north that was vacated as well, that was undedicated if you will and those areas were rededicated back to the City as a right of way. But this portion was not. It’s remaining privately owned since 1973. There was an intent at one time to close that street off and the develop it the way it was originally approved. And the residents of Woodring came out and objected and that’s when the Council said no, let’s keep it open. So because of those objections by people having an impacted ability to access their homes directly from Five Mile and Woodring, that the City decided to keep that open and Michigan National Bank at the time and the other property owners involved agreed as well. And then there was the question of the parking lot came up as well years later in the ‘90s you’ll see. And it was through the advice of the Inspection Department that that was a longstanding condition and that it was part of the approved plan and that those park spaces should be allowed to remain as they currently are located on the side of that building. All of that is documented in your packet mostly through correspondence and some actions of the Council and recorded easements, etc., there’s quite a lot. Jolly: So I guess my question is this: You know they were at one time grandfathered in, if we’re doing it --- we’re not really doing a site approval, are we? 16 Taormina: There’s a site approval, they will tell you that they absolutely need those parking spaces to meet their parking count, that they have to have 38 parking spaces to make this work. Jolly: And what is their number? Taormina: I think they have exactly 38, 39, maybe they can refresh, so this is the number that they want to have. So the elimination of those ten spaces or whatever alongside of the building would be problematic for the developer. Jolly: I appreciate that and I understand there’s some history there. Taormina: This is extremely unique and it’s private parking backing up on the private property. Jolly: The building looks great, I think it’s definitely an upgrade. Parks: Practically speaking from a usage perspective, the idea is that those would be employee spots, so it’s not going to be so much patient traffic. Jolly: Is there a way to designate those as employee parking spots? Because if they were employee parking spots there would not be as much coming and going spots. Is there a way to designate those as employee parking spots with a sign? Taormina: We could. Parks: Practically speaking, they’re the first ones there and the last ones to leave so knowing that. Alfonsi: Parking right in the front of the entrance seemed like a natural, a very controlled access. Jolly: Thank you. Toy: Councilmember White. White: I’m offering two resolutions, one approving the plan with a wall, and one approving the plan without a wall. Toy: Yes, Councilman Meakin. Meakin: Just a clarification. Are we approving the appeal or are we actually approving the site plan? 17 Taormina: Site plan. So it would be the full resolution, you’d have two resolutions, one with and one without the wall but it also included approval of all the other site elements. Toy: Anyone else? Councilmember Kritzman. Kritzman: If we’re going to go down that road I guess I’m going to ask the Petitioner do you have a version of the site plan that shows the wall on the north side? Alfonsi: Do we have one? Taormina: You’re asking me? Kritzman: Yes. Taormina: The answer is no. The one that shows is a new fence or a wall along the west side but it does not show a wall on the north side. Kritzman: So I guess from my perspective if we’re going to have it, I would ask that that be submitted as part of this process so that if we’re approving a site plan that we would actually have a copy of that document to look at. Alfonsi: So you need it before the meeting? You’re voting in one week? th Toy: We’re voting on March the 11 of this year at 7:00 o’clock here in the auditorium. Alfonsi: So when would I have to have that to you by? Toy: Twenty-four hours before. Well, that’s on a Monday, so by week end. McIntyre: I’d like to offer a third resolution to refer it to Committee, because there are a lot of moving pieces with this and it would be my hope that we can get this resolved and voted on one way or the other next Monday. But given that we’re now under a really tight time to get the data. Parks: We can do that pretty easily. McIntyre: Okay. I would like to offer that as an option in the event that we’re not ready for whatever and I would hope that we’re ready to give an up or down vote on Monday but there are a lot of pieces to this and so I would offer this option. Toy: I concur you’ve got to vote to decide this. 18 McIntyre: But even in looking at this project, this has a lot of pieces. Toy: You’re right, you’re right. Taormina: It would go to a regular for a vote. Toy: Yes, it would, yes, sir. Anybody else? Go ahead, Mr. Zilincik. Zilincik: I want to bring up one more point on the Woodring side of things for safety. You know you guys talk about, you know they’re bringing up employee parking on that side of the street, one thing you have to consider, too, take a look at the area but also to back in their vehicles. What are the vehicles that are being placed there, you know if they pull out and back up, we don’t want somebody to get injured in there. So I just want to make sure if that’s what’s required to back into parking or if it’s out of ten spots there, five are employees, the other ones may have to back in or whatever, I mean this is something to consider for the safety issue of Woodring coming back to us for its right of way itself. Jolly: I have one more question. Is the parking lot going to be resurfaced? Parks: Yes. Jolly: And will it include the part of Woodring there in question? Parks: Yes. Taormina: Yes. The resolution is that it only require the repairing of the west half because the other east half is owned by somebody else and I believe the City is talking about that once that’s done paving Woodring, or resurfacing Woodring up to that point at the north end. Zilincik: It is scheduled for the 2019 program, up to that vacated right of way. So it is listed to get this done this year hopefully and I know that was one of Bob Bennett’s, former Mayor, he was on the Road Committee, he always wanted to try to get this piece done so it’s good to see it get developed and get hopefully this last piece of the puzzle, the four streets that were delayed from last year, do it this year. th Toy: That will be heard on March 11. Thank you very much. As there were no further questions or comments, the Public Hearing was declared closed at 7:45 p.m. SUSAN M. NASH, CITY CLERK